J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[thunderchief]

J-10 is slightly faster than both Euro Fighter and Rafale due to the insanely powerful engine - It has a max speed of Mach 2.2 , while Eurofighter has a max speed of just under mach 2.0; and Rafale even lower of just Mach 1.8.

Rafale has much better T/W then J-10A (and B for that matter) . Therefore, Rafale would has better acceleration at subsonic and low supersonic speeds .

Reason for J-10 higher top speed is primarily in the wings . Rafale has larger wing area and wingspan with slightly cranked delta wing . On the other hand J-10 is more like classical delta fighter with canards . J-10 has good instantaneous turn rate and good handling at higher speeds , but in sustained turn fight it would loose against most of the current opponents . On the other hand, Rafale performs extremely well at low speeds (see demo below) Also, because of higher wing loading, J-10 could carry less payload then Rafale .

[video=youtube;FGw07om3bEE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGw07om3bEE[/video]

 

[SteelBird]

Personally, I think Rafale is more beautiful then Euro-Fighter though the later has been given more credit on performance.

A J-10C photo. I hope it has not yet been posted.

 

[Pmichael]

I think antiterror13 just meant performance wise, J-10C would be comparable to Euro Fighter, Rafale.
While J-10C only has a single engine, the single AL-31F outputs 79.43 kN dry thrust,

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. By comparison Eurofighter's much smaller twin Eurojet EJ200 outputs 50 kN dry thrust, 90 kN with afterburner; and Rafale's twin Snecma M88-2 outputs 50.04 kN dry thrust, and 75.62 kN with afterburner.

J-10 is slightly faster than both Euro Fighter and Rafale due to the insanely powerful engine - It has a max speed of Mach 2.2 , while Eurofighter has a max speed of just under mach 2.0; and Rafale even lower of just Mach 1.8.

J-10 is also slightly lighter than Eurofighter and Rafale (although not C version).

Basically, J-10 puts a giant top-end fighter engine that's fuel hungry like having a V-12 in your family car, while the europeans chose to put two smaller and slower (and probably more fuel efficient) engines into theirs. Both Eurofighter and Rafale will have longer range and loiter time than J-10 and enhanced survivability incase of one engine malfunction or damage through combat.

What performance? Payload, range, radar, electronic warfare, weapons, supercruise etc capacities?

There is nothing outside of your artificial maximum speed that would put the J-10C even over the next Gripen NG. Ignoring the larger and more capable Rafale and Eurofighter.

 

[Franklin]

I think the comparison between the J-10 on the one hand and the Eurofighter and Rafale on the other misses a key point. The Eurofighter and the Rafale are the mainstay of the air forces that use them while the J-10B/C is the lower end of the hi lo mix with the Flankers. As the F-16 is the low end of the hi lo mix with the F-15. Chengdu could have build a J-10 with 2 RD-93/WS-13 engines with better T/W ratio and better payload but they choose not to because a two engine plane would be much more expensive to build and maintain. And doesn't fit the need of the PLAAF. The J-10 A, B or C is more comparable to the F-16 rather than the former two. So a better comparison is how well does the J-10B/C do vs the F-16E/F.

 

[antiterror13]

What performance? Payload, range, radar, electronic warfare, weapons, supercruise etc capacities?

There is nothing outside of your artificial maximum speed that would put the J-10C even over the next Gripen NG. Ignoring the larger and more capable Rafale and Eurofighter.

J-10B/C AESA radar is definitely better than most of Rafael or Eurofightrer (which will haver AESA radar later on).

for "range", J-10B/C is not designed to have long ranged capability as the role is served by other fighters (e.g J-11B)

for "agility" J-10B/C is better

for "price" ..... of course J-10B/C is better, much better ... that's why even major countries only have very few of them
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[Pmichael]

"later on" is an interesting choice of words if we're discussing right now if the J-10C is a real thing in the first place.

 

[Deino]

J-10B/C AESA radar is definitely better than most of Rafael or Eurofightrer (which will haver AESA radar later on).

for "range", J-10B/C is not designed to have long ranged capability as the role is served by other fighters (e.g J-11B)

for "agility" J-10B/C is better

for "price" ..... of course J-10B/C is better, much better ... that's why even major countries only have very few of them
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Sorry but we are not playing 'Quartets' (card game) in the sense of mine is better than Yours ... especially I would like to know from where do You know the J-10B/Cs specifications ? ... or it was only sarcastic and I didn't get it.

Deino

 

[ladioussupp]

According to sina news, it says J-10B having PESA and AL-31FN sep3. And J-10C changed to equip AESA and has the same shape.

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[Blitzo]

Sina isn't particularly reliable

 

[Lethe]

J-10B is a laudable achievement that China should be proud of. There is no need to drag it through the mud by arguing unsupportable rubbish to the effect that it is superior to Rafale/Eurofighter. It is a comparable, albeit somewhat smaller aircraft. Leave it at that.