J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[thunderchief]

J-10B/C AESA radar is definitely better than most of Rafael or Eurofightrer (which will haver AESA radar later on).

Rafale has RBE2 PESA , and some of the existing aircraft will be upraded to RBE2-AA AESA . RBE2-AA is one of the smallest AESA radars with something like 800 T/R modules ( I didn't count , pic is below so you are welcomed to try ) . Therefore, it is quite possible for J-10 B or C to have better radar then Rafale, if and when they deploy AESA .

As for Typhoon and its CAPTOR-E, it supposed to be very advanced AESA radar but also very expensive. I sincerely doubt there will be much of them deployed on actual aircraft in next 5 years.

 

[Franklin]

Here is my personal take about the J-10B and C. The J-10B uses the AL-31FN series 3 engines coupled with most likely a AESA radar. The C variant will most likely offer a improved version of that ASEA radar and other avionics and electronic upgrades. But I think the WS-10B engine will be off the table for sometime to come. I believe that China will eventually use the WS-10 family engines in the J-10's but I think that will be still some years off. It will be unlikely to be the second batch of J-10B's (or C's) that is to come. We have seen that with the 201 plane that has what looks like a extra antenna but still uses the same Russian engines as the rest. Indicating an improvement in avionics and electronics but still it uses the same Russian engine.

Does anyone know if the new J-10's have a on board oxygen generating unit ?

 

[tphuang]

According to sina news, it says J-10B having PESA and AL-31FN sep3. And J-10C changed to equip AESA and has the same shape.

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Can you stop posting more of these rumour articles that are just recycling news from internet forums? The original link has already been posted.

 

[asif iqbal]

Here is my personal take about the J-10B and C. The J-10B uses the AL-31FN series 3 engines coupled with a most likely AESA radar. The C variant will most likely offer a improved version of that ASEA radar and other avionics and electronic upgrades. But I think the WS-10B engine will be off the table for sometime to come. I believe that China will eventually use the WS-10 family engines in the J-10's but I think that will be still some years off. It will be unlikely to be the second batch of J-10B's (or C's) that is to come. We have seen that with the 201 plane that has what looks like a extra antenna but still uses the same Russian engines as the rest. Indicating an improvement in avionics and electronics but still it uses the same Russian engine.

Does anyone know if the new J-10's have a on board oxygen generating unit ?

Thing I don't get is that why make a upgraded version of J10B both at the same time

I mean J10B is a pretty good improvement of the J10A why add in a J10C in parallel?

It's like building JF-17 Block II while first squadron of JF-17 Block I isn't even operational? What's the rush and it's out of PLAAF character

Either its really a test bed or it's a export variant

Or maybe PLAAF is really happy with the units and want to improve the units quickly as a possible but I can't see that being the reason

Anyhow it's another aircraft to watch which makes it exciting and something to look forward to

 

[plawolf]

Thing I don't get is that why make a upgraded version of J10B both at the same time

I mean J10B is a pretty good improvement of the J10A why add in a J10C in parallel?

It's like building JF-17 Block II while first squadron of JF-17 Block I isn't even operational? What's the rush and it's out of PLAAF character

Either its really a test bed or it's a export variant

Or maybe PLAAF is really happy with the units and want to improve the units quickly as a possible but I can't see that being the reason

Anyhow it's another aircraft to watch which makes it exciting and something to look forward to

CAC is also developing the J20 let's not forget, it would make sense for them to test out as much of the J20's avionics suite on the proven J10, which they are likely to have a few spare laying around.

It could well be that having already integrated a lot of the J20's new gen avionics onto the J10 airframe as part of the J20 accelerated development work, CAC did a little tidying up and finishing off and came up with a better version of the J10B.

I have speculated for some time that the J10 might piggy back a little on the J20, and that a J10B airframe with J20 level radar and avionics would be a far better fit for China's future mainstay fighter rather than another stealth.

If the J10C really is just such an aircraft, it will be more bad news for the J31's prospects.

 

[ladioussupp]

Can you stop posting more of these rumour articles that are just recycling news from internet forums? The original link has already been posted.

Okay. Will stop posting.

 

[Lethe]

J-10 should certainly have a healthy life ahead of it. I can envisage a post-2020 J-10 equipped with e.g. WS-10G, further use of advanced composites, modest RCS reduction measures, backporting of certain J-20 technologies such as Sino-EODAS, CFTs, further generation of EW gears, integration of new missiles, etc.

Regarding J-31, I am of the school that believes it to be a future carrier-based fighter. As such, further evolution of J-10 can offer little to no competition in this regard. Besides populating future carriers, PLANAF must also be thinking about replacing its inventories of Q-5, J-7, J-8 (total of 100 aircraft by Wikipedia) and even original JH-7s. There are several possible candidates, but considering the rapid growth in carrier aviation anticipated over the next few decades, replacing these aircraft with a carrier-capable aircraft such as J-31 would maximise PLANAF flexibility going forward.

For PLAAF it is a different story: they have no carriers to worry about, and are already invested in J-10. It is very conceivable that a further evolved J-10 might be an attractive and relatively inexpensive prospect for replacing legacy aircraft types that remain post-2020.

 

[Franklin]

That 201 plane has mystified me from the beginning. But now I think that 201 maybe the pre-production model of the new improved J-10C that will go in to full production... soon.

I believe the most important development for future aircrafts is a multi-mode radar that can help them to detect the fast proliferating F-35 Lightning II.

 

[Deino]

Maybe we can put a summary of all theories regarding this J-10C in one post ... and weight the pros & cons:

1. it is the prototype for a future even more updated serial version to feature an AESA and finally a WS-10B ??
... but why is it then not numbered 1041 (following 103x for the B-models)?

2. it is a prototype for an export related version ??

3. it is a J-10B from a new manufacturing line ??
... this would make sense similar to the typical serials beginning with the serial block and then an individual number, but then it is in fact only a B !

4. it is a formerly refurbished J-10B ???

5. no clue ...



Deino

 

[SteelBird]

Maybe we can put a summary of all theories regarding this J-10C in one post ... and weight the pros & cons:

1. it is the prototype for a future even more updated serial version to feature an AESA and finally a WS-10B ??
... but why is it then not numbered 1041 (following 103x for the B-models)?

2. it is a prototype for an export related version ??

3. it is a J-10B from a new manufacturing line ??
... this would make sense similar to the typical serials beginning with the serial block and then an individual number, but then it is in fact only a B !

4. it is a formerly refurbished J-10B ???

5. no clue ...



Deino

Why not making such a daring assumption; the J-10 with 201 serial number is NOT a J-10C. It may be anything but not a followed up version (A, B then C) of the J-10?!!