J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[latenlazy]

I think that both the link and huitong are quite consistent.

Huitong is an aggregator of rumours, so I would be careful of an echo chamber effect.

 

[asif iqbal]

Huitong is an aggregator of rumours, so I would be careful of an echo chamber effect.

No he's not he's actually spot on

However if J10C number 201 is test bed for a more advanced J10B then why is it still using Russian engine?

If WS-10B is next then surely 201 should be using Chinese engine?

And the WS-10A is flying so why not add WS-10A to the J10B??

 

[Blackstone]

No he's not he's actually spot on

However if J10C number 201 is test bed for a more advanced J10B then why is it still using Russian engine?

If WS-10B is next then surely 201 should be using Chinese engine?

And the WS-10A is flying so why not add WS-10A to the J10B??

I'll give you three guesses why PLAAF doesn't use WS-10As, and two of them don't count.

 

[SteelBird]

I'll give you three guesses why PLAAF doesn't use WS-10As, and two of them don't count.

I think the full question should be "Why PLAAF doesn't use WS-10A on J-10B?" However, why don't you just answer the question directly? My thought is that; first, WS-10A is not as reliable as AL-31 series. Then J-10B is designed with AL-31 series from the beginning, and finally, China already has a lot AL-31 and need to use them up. So leave WS-10A for J-11 while J-10 will continue to use AL-31.

 

[Ultra]

I think J-10B/C would be better than most of Euro Fighters or Rafale, perhaps on par from 2012 onward production

When did the J-10C get twin engines?

It would be a big step if the lastest J-10Cs are on par with the Gripen NG.

I think antiterror13 just meant performance wise, J-10C would be comparable to Euro Fighter, Rafale.
While J-10C only has a single engine, the single AL-31F outputs 79.43 kN dry thrust,

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. By comparison Eurofighter's much smaller twin Eurojet EJ200 outputs 50 kN dry thrust, 90 kN with afterburner; and Rafale's twin Snecma M88-2 outputs 50.04 kN dry thrust, and 75.62 kN with afterburner.

J-10 is slightly faster than both Euro Fighter and Rafale due to the insanely powerful engine - It has a max speed of Mach 2.2 , while Eurofighter has a max speed of just under mach 2.0; and Rafale even lower of just Mach 1.8.

J-10 is also slightly lighter than Eurofighter and Rafale (although not C version).

Basically, J-10 puts a giant top-end fighter engine that's fuel hungry like having a V-12 in your family car, while the europeans chose to put two smaller and slower (and probably more fuel efficient) engines into theirs. Both Eurofighter and Rafale will have longer range and loiter time than J-10 and enhanced survivability incase of one engine malfunction or damage through combat.

 

[Ultra]

I think the full question should be "Why PLAAF doesn't use WS-10A on J-10B?" However, why don't you just answer the question directly? My thought is that; first, WS-10A is not as reliable as AL-31 series. Then J-10B is designed with AL-31 series from the beginning, and finally, China already has a lot AL-31 and need to use them up. So leave WS-10A for J-11 while J-10 will continue to use AL-31.

Because the new AL-31FN Series 3 outputs 137 kN and is far more reliable than current WS-10A which is only around 130 kN. It will take a lot more years for WS-10G or later version to mature and be comparable. If I am not mistaken, China only discovered how to make single crystal/monocrystalline turbine blade 2 years ago (there was a news about the breakthrough) and hollow engine fan blade, and the discovery of using

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to improve durability and service life.

 

[shen]

Because the new AL-31FN Series 3 outputs 137 kN and is far more reliable than current WS-10A which is only around 130 kN. It will take a lot more years for WS-10G or later version to mature and be comparable. If I am not mistaken, China only discovered how to make single crystal/monocrystalline turbine blade 2 years ago (there was a news about the breakthrough) and hollow engine fan blade, and the discovery of using

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to improve durability and service life.

wantchinatimes is not a reliable source. this story in particular, reads like a plant story to pump up market price for rhenium. not going to comment about the other rubbish.

 

[latenlazy]

No he's not he's actually spot on

However if J10C number 201 is test bed for a more advanced J10B then why is it still using Russian engine?

If WS-10B is next then surely 201 should be using Chinese engine?

And the WS-10A is flying so why not add WS-10A to the J10B??

He's spot on when the sources he's aggregating are spot on. Not all sources he's aggregating are spot on however. For example, he had on his site for the longest time that the J-20 was using a variant of the WS-10, because that was the explanation for the J-20's nozzles for the longest time. Huitong is no better or worse than the rest of us. Everything he has on his site is collected from whatever shows up on Chinese BBSes.

 

[tphuang]

Well, we are all trying to aggregate news from different places, but huitong is very good at it. There are some people who are really insider, but they are limited in what they can share. Outside of that, we can only try to piece together what we read. We can't believe everything we read on Chinese bbs and that link on J-10B is not from someone I would consider an insider. But huitong is pretty good at knowing what is good news and what is not. I would personally keep this in mind until we get more information. Remember all the debate we have over whether KJ-2000 and Type 052C having AESA or PESA radar? With time, we found all the answers. To me, the bigger news at this point is which regiment will be the first one to have J-10B.

 

[latenlazy]

Well, we are all trying to aggregate news from different places, but huitong is very good at it. There are some people who are really insider, but they are limited in what they can share. Outside of that, we can only try to piece together what we read. We can't believe everything we read on Chinese bbs and that link on J-10B is not from someone I would consider an insider. But huitong is pretty good at knowing what is good news and what is not. I would personally keep this in mind until we get more information. Remember all the debate we have over whether KJ-2000 and Type 052C having AESA or PESA radar? With time, we found all the answers. To me, the bigger news at this point is which regiment will be the first one to have J-10B.

I agree that huitong is really good. I'm simply pointing out that because he's an aggregator (like us) it doesn't make much sense to use him as a second confirmation for a rumour because there's the risk of an echo chamber effect.