J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Lion]

they're STILL testing stuff, almost 4,5 years after first flight? What on earth is holding up this project?

J-10B priority drops. I will rank J-15/J-15S and J-16 even more important than J-10B. There are plenty of aviation project going on in China. China need to prioritise their project if it wants to move on fast.

I believe J-10B is being sacrifaced and more resources are devoted to other projects.

 

[plawolf]

All the Flanker variants are Shenyang's babies whereas the J10B is Chengdu's, and I seriously doubt the PLAAF is so cash strapped they are scaling back on important projects like the J10B.

I think its less a case of money and more in terms of talent, with CAC's best and brightest putting all their energies into the J20, the J10B's development might as a consequence have to take a back seat.

 

[timepass]

J-10B priority drops. I will rank J-15/J-15S and J-16 even more important than J-10B. There are plenty of aviation project going on in China. China need to prioritise their project if it wants to move on fast.

I believe J-10B is being sacrifaced and more resources are devoted to other projects.

Here you start again.... we discussed this topic to the its death & except you its a general consensus among the members on this forum that J10B project is very much intact & as per the schedule.

So please shall we stop this.

 

[Engineer]

J-10A took six years from first flight to initial deployment. With extensive modification to the airframe, new avionics and engine, J-10B is a new aircraft so one should its flight test program to be equally long.

 

[escobar]

A new generation of flight suit went into service...

[video=youtube;7vmf-dHCP-Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vmf-dHCP-Y#t=0s[/video]

 

[plawolf]

Custom made G-suits made individually for each pilot using 3-D scanning for best possible fit, pretty nifty.

Although I guess these guys will have to watch their figure after getting these suits as they may not fit as well if you develop a beer belly after they scanned you.

 

[Lion]

J-10A took six years from first flight to initial deployment. With extensive modification to the airframe, new avionics and engine, J-10B is a new aircraft so one should its flight test program to be equally long.

To try to be in self denial and say J-10B is a new aircraft is complete shocking. J-10A is a complete new project that China skip a generation to produced. J-10B is essentially a modification to J-10A , just like how FC-1 Pt03 to Pt04 and it took addtional less than 2 years to do it.

There is no doubt J-10B is having a major delay. But I simply do not care about J-10B, its loses it glamorous and its not important anymore. If you all wants to continue to be in denial everything is perfect and as schedule for J-10B , so be it.

 

[Engineer]

To try to be in self denial and say J-10B is a new aircraft is complete shocking. J-10A is a complete new project that China skip a generation to produced.

An aircraft with significant changes to aerodynamics and avionic packages is essentially a new aircraft, requiring tests to be completely done from scratch. This is not denial, but the simple reality.

J-10B is essentially a modification to J-10A , just like how FC-1 Pt03 to Pt04 and it took addtional less than 2 years to do it.

That is an invalid analogy. Your FC-1 example refers to the time between two airframes appear, not the length of time it took to test the new airframe. Delivery of the FC-1 was postponed from 2005 to 2007, for exactly two years. In other words, the flight tests pretty much had to start from scratch due to the aerodynamics change.

There is no doubt J-10B is having a major delay. But I simply do not care about J-10B, its loses it glamorous and its not important anymore. If you all wants to continue to be in denial everything is perfect and as schedule for J-10B , so be it.

There is no evidence of a delay except in your delusion. Going through all stages of flight testing with limited air frames takes time. That is just the natural engineering process at work.

 

[Schumacher]

I don't know why some are so resistant to the idea that J10B has fallen down the priority list of PLAAF.
We're at 2013 now, does PLAAF really need many not very inexpensive, non-stealth single engined medium fighter like
J10B ? Does USAF still buy even the latest F16 E/F ? How does J10B even compare with upgrades for J10A instead ?
For non-stealth jets, PLAAF need the heavies like J16 to take them where they want to go.
J15 & JH7B give PLA new niche capabilities so they are above J10B now as well, not to mention the 2 stealth.
I'm sure J10B will eventually enter service but it seems development of the other projecs above etc have prompted PLAAF to ask for more from J10B compared to the original requirements, to justify its price tag, which explains the long test time.

 

[luhai]

With J-20 and J-31 coming, J-10B is trying hard to position itself. My guess is it's much more expensive than J-10A and it's price / value no long puts it in the lo position of a high-lo mix.