J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[plawolf]

I read on this forum awhile ago (tried to find the post to no avail and lost my origin reply in the process), someone posted an article regarding j10A development cycle from testing to being in production and i calculated on average it took 3 years of testing before being put into production. To put it briefly, it took 3 years for j10A to finish testing, but the ws10a wasn't matured so they had to redesign the plane to use alfn which took another 3 years before being inducted in plaf. So i think 3 years of testing on j10b should be enough judging of past development from the j10a, unless the engline development is the delaying factor again.

Edit: in that article, i remember it said j10A origin intended engine is the ws10b, which wasn't ready. However, from tphuang post, it state FWS-10 and FWS-10A are separate projects where FWS-10 is for the flankers, while FWS-10A is for J10B, could FWS10A initially be dubbed WS10B for the intended J10A? I find that bit confusing, so hope someone can clear that up as I always heard J10A intended engine was the J10A.

Again, different budgets and priorities. Just look at how many J10A prototypes and pre-production aircraft were built.

IIRC, those pre-production J10As were never deployed to an operational unit and are still at the CFTC. That is a hell of a lot of money spent on non-frontline planes. With the J10A, that was justified because of the strategic position and threat environment China was in at the time.

Today, there is very little chance of a war with Taiwan, and the PLAAF has a vast 3rd/4th gen fighter fleet that can more than hold it's own against regional competitors and can even give the US a good run for it's money. The CFTC also has a large fleet of very capable and modern 4th gen fighters that they can use for tactical development and what not, so spending a similar amount of money and building a similarly large fleet of prototypes and pre-production models would be unnecessary and wasteful.

Simply put, the J10B is great and would be very welcome when it enters service, but China does not need it as desperately as it needed the J10A, and the CFTC certainly does not need another dozen or so of pre-production J10Bs to play around with.

 

[tphuang]

Again, different budgets and priorities. Just look at how many J10A prototypes and pre-production aircraft were built.

IIRC, those pre-production J10As were never deployed to an operational unit and are still at the CFTC. That is a hell of a lot of money spent on non-frontline planes. With the J10A, that was justified because of the strategic position and threat environment China was in at the time.

Today, there is very little chance of a war with Taiwan, and the PLAAF has a vast 3rd/4th gen fighter fleet that can more than hold it's own against regional competitors and can even give the US a good run for it's money. The CFTC also has a large fleet of very capable and modern 4th gen fighters that they can use for tactical development and what not, so spending a similar amount of money and building a similarly large fleet of prototypes and pre-production models would be unnecessary and wasteful.

Simply put, the J10B is great and would be very welcome when it enters service, but China does not need it as desperately as it needed the J10A, and the CFTC certainly does not need another dozen or so of pre-production J10Bs to play around with.

It's pretty hard to put it better than you did here.

CAC has far more resources devoted to J-20 project than J-10B right now. Also, there are all the UAV projects taking away resources too.

 

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[Player99]

Glad I beat escobar on this piece:

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Female J-10 pilots.

 

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first air-to-ground training performed by a female pilot on a J-10A

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[Franklin]

What's up with the J-10B if its not in production yet, does that mean that the plane we saw doing the RCS tests is prototype number 6 ? And if its another prototype then why does it have a AL-31 engine and not a WS-10A ? And if production is 6, 12, 18 months away why not do further tests with the WS-10A ?

 

[Lion]

What's up with the J-10B if its not in production yet, does that mean that the plane we saw doing the RCS tests prototype number 6 ? And if its another prototype then why does it have a AL-31 engine and not a WS-10A ? And if production is 6, 12, 18 months away why not do further tests with the WS-10A ?

Because Shenyang Liming restraint the number of WS-10A for J-10b. Chengdu altenative is to buy from Russian.

 

[Schumacher]

I think J10B is in an unenviable position compared with the other projects & is simply of lower priority to PLA now.
Unlike the others, it doesn't have very distinct capabilities that PLA desperately need now for the right price and time.
J20/31 obviously deliver stealth, J15 is the only carrier based jet, J16 gives massive strike range/payload with new avionics/AESA, JH7B delivers the next gen anti-ship missiles, even J10A provide great AA at a fraction of the cost of J10B.
I'm sure we'll see J10B in PLAAF eventually but have little doubt the schedule have been pushed back over the years due to the lack of urgency & PLAAF wants CAC to use this time to continue to develop new capabilities & make J10B come standard with WS10, AESA etc like J16, to better justify its presence in PLAAF.

 

[tphuang]

Because Shenyang Liming restraint the number of WS-10A for J-10b. Chengdu altenative is to buy from Russian.

here you go again. Chengdu has plenty of AL-31FN. If it wanted to put that on J-10B, it could easily do so. The reason that J-10B is not flying is because it's not ready.

 

[Lion]

here you go again. Chengdu has plenty of AL-31FN. If it wanted to put that on J-10B, it could easily do so. The reason that J-10B is not flying is because it's not ready.

As proven by Minister of China defence spokesmen, WS-10 engine has more thrust than Russia AL-31 engine for J-15. Why would Chengdu used an inferior thrust engine for their J-10B?

If WS-10A engine is not ready for J-10B, how come SAC is ready? All their new products are now fitted with WS-10 engine except J-31. Oh, I forget to mention Shenyang Liming is owned by SAC. Now everybody knows why.