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Sorry, 7th Lot No J-10B
I think chengdu has really been scared out of their wits by SAC recent success of many of their project... They can't even crank out a production J-10b? Chengdu is a real massive disapoointment. I think PLAAF commander must be very disappointed with chengdu too.
Could You please explain why - and IMO it's only YOU who think so - CAC should be a disappointment ? Why seems - especially after years where SAC was still producing J-8-versions and J-11s with problems in avionics & powerplant - the PLAAF commanders should be disappointed with CAC, when in parallel all exercises show how advanced the J-10 is and how many regiments are already operational ! And even more since SAC just now has enough Flankers produced and got the production running that they finally were able to concentrate on a new type ???
And by the way where is SAC in recent days more successful than CAC ??? ... IMO the J-16 is no more advanced to the other Flankers than the J-10B to the J-10A ... both types have only different schedules !
IMO You seem so fixed about this WS-10-issue that You are still obsessed with the opinion that the J-10B has to be a failure !!
Actually I don't understand Your point of view.
Deino
Could You please explain why - and IMO it's only YOU who think so - CAC should be a disappointment ? Why seems - especially after years where SAC was still producing J-8-versions and J-11s with problems in avionics & powerplant - the PLAAF commanders should be disappointed with CAC, when in parallel all exercises show how advanced the J-10 is and how many regiments are already operational ! And even more since SAC just now has enough Flankers produced and got the production running that they finally were able to concentrate on a new type ???
And by the way where is SAC in recent days more successful than CAC ??? ... IMO the J-16 is no more advanced to the other Flankers than the J-10B to the J-10A ... both types have only different schedules !
IMO You seem so fixed about this WS-10-issue that You are still obsessed with the opinion that the J-10B has to be a failure !!
Actually I don't understand Your point of view.
Deino
This project drags too long. If delay by another year for IOC, it will surely be a failure. PLAAF will sure skip 4.5th gen and go straight 5th gen fighter of J-20 or J-31.
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Drag on for too long? J-10B is essentially a new aircraft with new airframe, new aerodynamics, a new engine and new avionics. This means everything has to be tested from scratch. J-10A took seven years of flight tests from 1998 to 2003 for the first production aircraft to be delivered to PLAAF. J-10B only exist for a little under four years, and going by J-10A's example there would probably still be three years of flight tests remaining.
You can't really used J-10A as an example... J-10A is essential a new plane from scratch while J-10B is simply a modification from a proven plane. J-10B cant take that long. Sometime is wrong with Chengdu.
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But why ... ??? Honestly I don't know what You expect ! IMO it is surely later than I whished but surely - like others said - not a failure only that it is not already in service. Maybe the PLAAF added new requirements for an AESA (and not a PESA), waybe they want go straight to the TH ans the engine is not reliable enough for single engined fighter ?? ... As such it is too simple only to blame CAC for not meeting Your expectations.
Deino
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I believe you are confused between the time it takes to design a plane and the time it takes to verify the design. I do not know how long it took CAC to finalize the J-10B design, but what is certain is that everything on the J-10B is new. As such, the time required to flight test the J-10B should not be much different to the time requires by any new plane.
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