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dingyibvs

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B versions looks awesome, but what are you implying, what is happening exactly ?

It's the 1035 prototype of the J-10B, we've never seen pictures of it before. Now, of course, the bigger news is that this particular prototype is FLYING with a WS-10 variant, whereas before we didn't even know for sure if the J-10 variants were ever gonna be equipped with the WS-10 at all!
 

zoom

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The DSI intake is starting to look like a smug smile now.

Is it inevitable that the J10 will become carrier-capable eventually? Is the Ws-10 a further move towards that?
 

siegecrossbow

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The DSI intake is starting to look like a smug smile now.

Is it inevitable that the J10 will become carrier-capable eventually? Is the Ws-10 a further move towards that?

One of the issues will be figuring out how to fold the delta wings... that and some potential issues that the belly intake might pose.
 

Hendrik_2000

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The plane is flying!!! First time a J-10B variant flew with the WS-10 engine.

We heard the rumor of J10B flying with Taihang engine for quite a while. But this photo is definitely proof that WS 10 is doing just fine . I hope this photo will silence the western critic that China is incapable of producing high thrust engine like in this article just couple week ago. Regurgitated ad infinitum in other western sites. Like they say talk is cheap.

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–However, evidence still suggests that AVIC’s engine makers are having trouble maintaining consistent quality control as they scale up production of the WS-10, causing problems with reliability and keeping China’s tactical aircraft heavily reliant on imported Russian engines.

–Key weak points of the Chinese military jet engine industry include: turbine blade production and process standardization.

–Standardization and integration may be the one area in which the costs of China’s ad hoc, eclectic approach to strategic technology development truly manifest themselves. The Soviet defense industrial base failed in precisely this area: talented designers and technicians presided over balkanized design bureaus and irregularly-linked production facilities; lack of standardization and quality control rendered it “less than the sum of the parts.”

–We estimate that based on current knowledge and assuming no major setbacks or loss of mission focus, China will need ~2-3 years before it achieves comprehensive capabilities commensurate with the aggregate inputs in the jet engine sector and ~5-10 years before it is able to consistently mass produce top-notch turbofan engines for a 5th generation-type fighter.
 
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siegecrossbow

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We heard the rumor of J10B flying with Taihang engine for quite a while. But this photo is definitely proof that WS 10 is doing just fine . I hope this photo will silence the western critic that China is incapable of producing high thrust engine like in this article just couple week ago. Regurgitated ad infinitum in other western sites. Like they say talk is cheap.

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–However, evidence still suggests that AVIC’s engine makers are having trouble maintaining consistent quality control as they scale up production of the WS-10, causing problems with reliability and keeping China’s tactical aircraft heavily reliant on imported Russian engines.

–Key weak points of the Chinese military jet engine industry include: turbine blade production and process standardization.

–Standardization and integration may be the one area in which the costs of China’s ad hoc, eclectic approach to strategic technology development truly manifest themselves. The Soviet defense industrial base failed in precisely this area: talented designers and technicians presided over balkanized design bureaus and irregularly-linked production facilities; lack of standardization and quality control rendered it “less than the sum of the parts.”

–We estimate that based on current knowledge and assuming no major setbacks or loss of mission focus, China will need ~2-3 years before it achieves comprehensive capabilities commensurate with the aggregate inputs in the jet engine sector and ~5-10 years before it is able to consistently mass produce top-notch turbofan engines for a 5th generation-type fighter.

Slap in the face lol.

I am actually more confident about the WS-15 developmental process now. Perhaps we'll see new nozzles on the J-20 sooner than we think.
 

Quickie

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... There is no immenient danger of Russia cutting off supply of engines to its ally and friends. As long as you have the money, Russia will deliver. What is the hurry?

This should not be a problem for China. China is known to have developed an upgrade kit for the AL-31FM engine to increase its lifespan. If they can do that, they should have no problem building new AL-31s engines from scratch, with or without license.
 

Lion

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do not hot link your photos

This WS-10 engine petal is abit different. It is dark color instead of the usual silver. But when close look, you can distinguish its not AL-31FN engine. And from far, it looks actually like AL-31FN engines.. I am wondering if J-10A already start with WS-10 since from far, this WS-10 engines can hardly be distinguished...

I think Martian did mention about different WS-10 engines with silver petal and dark petal.. Looks like this few photo did the comfirmation.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Now the video version (for those of you patient enough to sit through 12 minutes of J-20 and J-10):

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For those of you who aren't patient the meaty part starts at around 10:45.
 
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