J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[siegecrossbow]

I have 2 questions:
1. Based on the current performance and configuration of avionics, etc, and everything, which aircraft will the J-10A be comparable to, before and after fitting with WS-10? And I suppose it can be considered a Gen 4(Western) no problem?
2. As we know, J-10B is a big improvement over J-10A, with DSI, AESA, etc. What can we speculate the J-10B's performance to be comparable to? Will it put J-10B in league with the Eurofighter and the Rafale? And can it be considered 4.5g or 4.5+(+)?

1) I don't think that the J-10A will get WS-10A. I think the plane is comparable (not necessarily equal to in performance) to F-16C/D.
2) Eurofighter/Rafale might be too optimistic of a projection. I doubt the J-10B will ever achieve the weapons load of the former or achieve European definition supercruise. This doesn't mean that the J-10B won't qualify as a 4.5 g fighter though. I thought that fighter aircrafts could make the cut as long as they incorporate AESA radar.

 

[Centrist]

I have 2 questions:
1. Based on the current performance and configuration of avionics, etc, and everything, which aircraft will the J-10A be comparable to, before and after fitting with WS-10? And I suppose it can be considered a Gen 4(Western) no problem?
2. As we know, J-10B is a big improvement over J-10A, with DSI, AESA, etc. What can we speculate the J-10B's performance to be comparable to? Will it put J-10B in league with the Eurofighter and the Rafale? And can it be considered 4.5g or 4.5+(+)?

Thanks!!

The J-10A probably will not get WS-10

The J-10B could be considered Gen 4++ or 4.5, It's hard to place it because after the 4th generation of aircraft...the definitions get very fuzzy.

 

[nosh]

One of the issues brought up on CJDBY regarding the nature of J-10B's radar (I think we all agree that it is an electronically scanned radar of somesort) was whether the AL-31 engine was powerful enough to produce enough electricity to power an AESA radar. Could it be that the AL equipped J-10Bs are gonna use PESA while the later WS-10 equipped J-10Bs will use AESA radars?

I don't believe this power supply should be a problem. The claim is not credible.

 

[antiterror13]

One of the issues brought up on CJDBY regarding the nature of J-10B's radar (I think we all agree that it is an electronically scanned radar of somesort) was whether the AL-31 engine was powerful enough to produce enough electricity to power an AESA radar. Could it be that the AL equipped J-10Bs are gonna use PESA while the later WS-10 equipped J-10Bs will use AESA radars?

Does AESA radar require such amount of electricity ?, it I thought it would be only a few KW and of course you can always turn off other unimportant equipments when AESA radar is active

 

[nosh]

I have 2 questions:
1. Based on the current performance and configuration of avionics, etc, and everything, which aircraft will the J-10A be comparable to, before and after fitting with WS-10? And I suppose it can be considered a Gen 4(Western) no problem?
2. As we know, J-10B is a big improvement over J-10A, with DSI, AESA, etc. What can we speculate the J-10B's performance to be comparable to? Will it put J-10B in league with the Eurofighter and the Rafale? And can it be considered 4.5g or 4.5+(+)?

Thanks!!

The differences in weight and power between WS-10 and AL-31 is marginal.

However, 10B with WS-10 and AL31 will probably have different rear fuselages which may leads to differences in the weight and aerodynamics of the aircraft. It is said that J-10 was originally designed to fit WS-10 but then switched to AL-31. That change of engine required significant redesign and took some extra time. Now they are switching back to WS-10, it would be interesting to see how much change is made in the rear.

10B are not in the same weight class as EF-2000 and Rafale. So it makes no sense to compare them based on weapon load or range. But in terms of technology and A2A ability, 10B with ESA radar are certainly in the same league with current Euro canards and should be able to achieve fair exchange rate with them.

The only Euro canard that has an advantage over 10B is EF-2000 with its powerful engines, but it is only equipped with a mechanical scanning radar at this moment and I should still view them in the same league. The future version of EF-2000 will both AESA and even more powerful engine and current 10B will be no match. To counter it, a future 10 variant will need to have both ASEA and more powerful engine (WS-10G or 99M2) or shift to a twin engine design.

 

[Blitzo]

First -- HOLY **** about time!!!

Second, wrt the aesa thing, keep in mind the swedes want an aesa on their Gripen NG, and the F414G only has 98 Kn of thrust... Unless J-10B has way more avionics or it isn't as efficient or something that is.

 

[Twix101]

Does AESA radar require such amount of electricity ?, it I thought it would be only a few KW and of course you can always turn off other unimportant equipments when AESA radar is active

There is no "unimportant" equipments on a combat aircraft, you won't choose between switching off your EWS or your radar or a targeting POD, all elements are needed to insure the best situation awareness for the pilot. Solution would be to lower consumption of other equipments, thus, downgrading them.

 

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[latenlazy]

It is my opinion that J-10s with WS-10 engine are not intended for PLAAF. The logistic within PLAAF is too entrenched with AL-31F to make the switch now.

Except buying engines from another country is probably more expensive and less reliable over time. They would have to make the switch some time.

 

[A.Man]

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