Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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Even their reputation as an Army is questionable, seeing how they fight no differently than the Saudis or any other badly trained Arab army, relying on air power and nothing else.
Middle East is sorta a region with major military power vacuum. You have absolute jokers like Saudi running around where a couple of laser CIWS sales can tip the balance of their air defense war. And then Syria, Egypt and Iraq that are all running 0 air defense builds.

Iran and Israel are the absolute god tiers of the region because they make a minimum of local equipment and have some fancy imported toys.

The much hyped Iranian intelligence service is literally just taking random Muslims who already hate the west and then organizing them to zerg rush Israel/western bases. They're also not guarding the interiors of Iran or finding US spies.

Meanwhile Israel intelligence service is basically Al qaida but instead of attacking the west, it's attacking Muslims. Showing shocked pikachu face after they find out that killing Muslim civilians did in fact NOT result in the Islamic world surrendering to their political demands, just like it didn't work the other 34 times they've tried it. Just like their Iranian brothers, they're also allergic to guarding their interior.

In such an environment, what could be a great play is inserting an adult into the room who can slowly mediate away the disputes between all partners, using their stronger intelligence/military/economic power to cow individual factions. Imho Russia is being pitted for this role in the west levant, while China is already trying to unravel some of the clownery between Saudi and Iran.
 

JJD1803

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Haifa was hit tonight. Hezbollah struck the Ramat Air base. The new equation is set. Haifa just like Metulla and Kiryat Shmona will be a target going forward. Meaning it will be a ghost town. Now more settlers will be forced to leave. More damage to the Israeli economy and a blow to the Zionist mythos that Israel is a safe place for Jews.
 

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guys, israel is going to prevail in the hamas-hezbollah tribal wars...that is heaven's mandate
Tell that to Nebuchadnezzar, Titus, or Lysias.

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While the IAF is striking massively, Hezbollah is still partially inert.
This isn't exactly new. Resistance networks have been posting these IOF strikes for more than a month.

Dude this was a very successful military and intelligence operation. If any country did this then we will still recognise such a feat. As much as we might hate Israel and their policies, we have to admit they have one of the best intelligence/secret service/militaries im the world. No denying that. Hopefully their adversaries are learning from them as well.
Quite the contrary; Israel was propped up as a highly sophisticated and invincible force in the media. It helped their image that surrounding neighbors weren't very advanced but as soon as the latter innovated a bit, the facade of Israel fell quicker than a stripper's lingerie. And that's when the world witnessed how incompetent Israel is on the ground, unable to provide even something as basic as an infantry screen to armored vehicles.

Agree that we can't compare Hamas and Hezbollah per se . For one Hamas is a ragtag militia group and the best they can do is use civilian areas for cover to fight Israel. They are not in a position to fight Israel face to face as a genuine military and they know that..hence their strategy. So it's normal from that perspective.
How can Hamas fight IOF face-to-face when the latter refuses to step out of their armored vehicles? We have seen tons of footage of resistance fighters walking right up to IOF vehicles and bombing them. Do you have any footage of IOF stepping out to engage in a face-to-face battle? I have seen just one single video, from almost a year ago, in which an IOF soldier was involved in a close-quarter gun battle. Everything else released from IOF has soldiers just sitting around in safe zones, no combat.

Haifa was hit tonight. Hezbollah struck the Ramat Air base. The new equation is set. Haifa just like Metulla and Kiryat Shmona will be a target going forward. Meaning it will be a ghost town. Now more settlers will be forced to leave. More damage to the Israeli economy and a blow to the Zionist mythos that Israel is a safe place for Jews.
 

Minm

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Middle East is sorta a region with major military power vacuum. You have absolute jokers like Saudi running around where a couple of laser CIWS sales can tip the balance of their air defense war. And then Syria, Egypt and Iraq that are all running 0 air defense builds.

Iran and Israel are the absolute god tiers of the region because they make a minimum of local equipment and have some fancy imported toys.

The much hyped Iranian intelligence service is literally just taking random Muslims who already hate the west and then organizing them to zerg rush Israel/western bases. They're also not guarding the interiors of Iran or finding US spies.

Meanwhile Israel intelligence service is basically Al qaida but instead of attacking the west, it's attacking Muslims. Showing shocked pikachu face after they find out that killing Muslim civilians did in fact NOT result in the Islamic world surrendering to their political demands, just like it didn't work the other 34 times they've tried it. Just like their Iranian brothers, they're also allergic to guarding their interior.

In such an environment, what could be a great play is inserting an adult into the room who can slowly mediate away the disputes between all partners, using their stronger intelligence/military/economic power to cow individual factions. Imho Russia is being pitted for this role in the west levant, while China is already trying to unravel some of the clownery between Saudi and Iran.
You can't use superpowers as the standard. Even Russia is getting embarrassed regularly in Ukraine and France and the UK have been shown to be very weak without US support in Libya. Both Iran and Israel have comparable strength to a western European military without NATO involvement
 

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Tell that to Nebuchadnezzar, Titus, or Lysias.

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This isn't exactly new. Resistance networks have been posting these IOF strikes for more than a month.


Quite the contrary; Israel was propped up as a highly sophisticated and invincible force in the media. It helped their image that surrounding neighbors weren't very advanced but as soon as the latter innovated a bit, the facade of Israel fell quicker than a stripper's lingerie. And that's when the world witnessed how incompetent Israel is on the ground, unable to provide even something as basic as an infantry screen to armored vehicles.


How can Hamas fight IOF face-to-face when the latter refuses to step out of their armored vehicles? We have seen tons of footage of resistance fighters walking right up to IOF vehicles and bombing them. Do you have any footage of IOF stepping out to engage in a face-to-face battle? I have seen just one single video, from almost a year ago, in which an IOF soldier was involved in a close-quarter gun battle. Everything else released from IOF has soldiers just sitting around in safe zones, no combat.


Haifa is not under attack stop using dubious sources to fit your narrative.
 

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I've no idea if this was posted here before, but apparently some people broke into an Elbit facility in the UK and destroyed equipment, tooling, basically trashed the place. While searching for more info, I discovered that similar incidents constantly take place in the UK going back months and even years, where people break into Israeli linked weapons manufacturing facilities, vandalize and occupy them in some instances. In the second video, they talk about a case where the judge blocks the defence strategy of the accused, but the jury still refuses to convict them, so the judge was forced to let them walk.




Israelis broke into Al Jazeera's office in Ramallah, seized all equipment, and shut down the place.
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More videos of Haifa rocket strikes
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TK3600

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And to think that in the past, when Jews were humiliated and lived in ghettos in the West under the threat of being expelled at any moment, Muslim empires eagerly welcomed Jewish refugees. Their descendants are paying well for it.
It always amazed me how often Jews were mistreated, how often people sympathize them, then prompt they get betrayed.
No, for almost all countries, making toxic your whole civilian industry just for a 1 off indiscriminate attack that puts maybe at best 100 enemies out of action is a colossal failure.

A country with actual strong intelligence/secret service/militaries would do this:

1. Track the whereabout of phones of the enemy command, cross reference with real time satellite intel

2. Send targeted airstrikes

As an example, the Poltava strike last month. Hundreds dead, nearly all enemy combatants, enemy leadership and industry experts killed. No loss of credibility. No major rallying around the flag effect, because civilians were not impacted.

And the top tiers of nations in military/intelligence power can pull these types of attacks over and over again, incurring high 100 000s of casualties on even well defended objectives, or even more against non-defended ones. Barracks, depots, command and control etc. Israel is far from that level, so cannot be considered even approaching the best.

When a country is forced to break from conventional tactics and resort to asymmetric terror, it is a sign of worsening state integrity. We do not recognize the planning of Rwandans to slaughter 100 000s tutsis in a few hours, nor Al Qaida's stroke of killing 2000 Americans in a single strike as a brilliant military/intelligence feat for a reason.
But it ruins Taiwan brand, not Israeli. For Israel it was a success, the cost is paid by Taiwanese scape goat.
 
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TK3600

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Haifa was hit tonight. Hezbollah struck the Ramat Air base. The new equation is set. Haifa just like Metulla and Kiryat Shmona will be a target going forward. Meaning it will be a ghost town. Now more settlers will be forced to leave. More damage to the Israeli economy and a blow to the Zionist mythos that Israel is a safe place for Jews.
Incredible. Isn't Haifa their largest city? No way Israel going to evacuate that. I think they will just stay living in bombardments. Besides, air base is a valid military target, settlers wont leave.
 
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