Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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It doesn't really matter how devastated Palestine or in particular Gaza becomes. There's a ton of Palestine expats, and also a lot of Arabs near or in Israel that can establish a neutral government bearing the name "Palestine" there later.

These moves against Israel ultimately are about pressure on US. And we will observe what their answer is and react accordingly. It is just geopolitics. If Israel chooses poorly, it will cause regional war, which will lead to regime change in Tel Aviv. No matter what Israel does in Gaza, there will be enough Palestinian identifying people to head the post war regime.

I mean even what Hitler did to Jews in Europe still left more than enough around to stay intact as a culture. And Hitler had already defeated any potential Jewish paramilitias so he was free to do anything with the locals, while Netanyahu can't even get rid of some partisans.
 

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Another video from the Yemenis detonating explosives on the Greek tanker, the same tanker from before. I'm not sure of the timeline of events. First video looked like it took place at night, but this one looks like its at daytime. Could be a camera angle or exposure thing, or not. The ship definitely looked like it had holes in it and light fires were active through these holes prior to the detonation.

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61 killed in Israeli assault on Jenin refugee camp, cuts power and water, recovers dead hostages in Gaza tunnels. Hamas official says they died in Israeli airstrikes (no shit).
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“The city and its refugee camp remain under a stringent blockade imposed by Israeli forces, who have reinforced their military presence in the area,” the agency said.
Israeli forces have raided numerous homes, subjected residents to “harsh” interrogations and caused “extensive damage to civilian properties, public and private facilities, and critical infrastructure, including water and electricity networks”, it said.

Jenin is in West Bank, not Gaza. And somebody was saying they should focus on themselves instead..
 
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Exactly, the situation of Palestinians is not comparable to modern day China, it is comparable to China in the period between 1937 and 1945. You simply can't build economy when you're under genocide, saying stupid thing like "oh why don't those Palestinians develop their economy" is like Marie Antoinette saying "let them eat cake". Callous and disingenuous

Lol. Did I say the Palestinians should develop their own economy? I thought I actually said the Arab states should improve their own governance so they become strong enough to help the Palestinians. Good idea or you still think that’s stupid?
 

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Lol. Did I say the Palestinians should develop their own economy? I thought I actually said the Arab states should improve their own governance so they become strong enough to help the Palestinians. Good idea or you still think that’s stupid?

Sure, lets ignore everything going on in Palestine in the mean time, let Israel slaughter/displace everyone and turn it into fait accompli yeah? You would like that won't you, pity for you the world doesn't work like that
 

Petrolicious88

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Sure, lets ignore everything going on in Palestine in the mean time, let Israel slaughter/displace everyone and turn it into fait accompli yeah? You would like that won't you, pity for you the world doesn't work like that

Ok good so you don’t think that’s stupid.

And actually the world is working exactly like that due to the incompetence of the Arab community. They powerless to stop the current conflict. Some are actually actively collaborating with Israel and U.S. cause it benefits them more. That’s how the world works.
 

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Yitzak Brik wrote another article explaining how bad things are for the IDF. if you follow Hebrew media you’ll see many ex Israeli generals and politicians have expressed the deplorable state the IDF is in. The overall theme is that the axis of resistance’s war of attrition strategy is working against Israel. Hassan Nasrallah said it best that the goal is to exhaust Israel militarily, politically and economically that it collapses on itself without the need of a great big war. Anyway Brik is the one who predicted something October 7th would happen. For years have said how poorly trained and equipped the IDF ground forces were. And said it’s too dependent on aerial support.
In fact, it is those very same people declaring that a cessation of hostilities means our defeat and surrender who are bringing the military closer to collapse and the state to its downfall. The war's goals – "bringing Hamas to collapse" and "
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" – have not been achieved. If we continue fighting in Gaza by raiding and re-raiding the same targets, not only won't we bring Hamas to collapse, but we'll collapse ourselves. Not too long from now we will also be unable to carry out those repeated raids, because with every passing day the Israel Defense Forces grows weaker and the number of dead and wounded in action among our soldiers rises. Hamas, in contrast, has already replenished its ranks with 17- and 18-year-olds.
There has been reports from the Gaza resistance that they have received so many recruits that they are struggling to train all of them. Israeli and US intelligence have admitted that many of the “Gaza brigades,” have totally recovered and actually have more manpower now than before. And many people warned Israel this would happen. Hamas now likely more men to wage this war of attrition for another generation. The US faced the same problem in Vietnam. For Israel this is worse. They don’t have a large population pool to replace the men they lose. Not to mention they are taking losses not only in Gaza but the West Bank and northern Israel.
IDF reservists are already voting through action, with many no longer consenting to
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. Conscripted soldiers are exhausted and are losing professional skills for lack of training; some leave courses before completing them. Israel's economy, international relations and social cohesiveness are severely damaged by this war of attrition against both Hamas and Hezbollah, a war that will go on in the north and south so long as the Israeli military remains in Gaza. The need to concentrate forces on other fronts – Lebanon or the West Bank, due to terrorist activity – will also force the military to pull forces out of Gaza and send them to various flash points. This is because the IDF does not have enough forces to fight a multifront war.
Here he highlights an issue that plenty of Hebrew media have been talking about. Israeli reservist are exhausted. Many now are being sent to their 3 or 4 tour of duty to Gaza. Many are suffering from PTSD. They have been out of the work force for a long period of time. Some a refusing to be redrafted again. At a time where Israel has a severe manpower shortage. Its military is stretched to its limits being bogged down in Gaza, bogged down in the West Bank and having no solution to Hezbollah bombing them in a daily basis. Israel’s military can’t fight a multi front war. The attrition war is wearing down the armed forces. Not to mention how bad the Israeli economy is doing right now and its reputation worldwide is even worse than any time in its history.
In other words, the day will come when the IDF will no longer be able to remain in the Gaza Strip because Hamas will be in full control of it – both in the underground tunnel city that stretches hundreds of kilometers, and above ground. The number of tunnels the IDF destroyed amounts to just a few percent. The same is true for the
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; Hamas is using them even now to push weapons from Sinai into the northern and southern sectors of the Gaza Strip. In this situation, the army is unable to defeat it and bring it to collapse.
This has been the big problem with Israel’s whole strategy in the Gaza ground war. Despite all the fanfare of plans to flood the tunnels or pour gas in them Israel simply gave up going in the tunnels. The reason? They have no idea where they were. They also don’t want to send their troops to the tunnels because the Gaza resistance fighters have fortified them and likely have traps and ambushes waiting for the IDF. Also based on their track records in previous Gaza operations and the 2006 war against Hezbollah, the IDF is terrible at close quarters combats. So sending these poorly trained and motivated reservist in dark tunnels where it negates their strengths in air power and armored vehicles it’s a recipe for disaster.
So with that Israel has no chance to win this war. Hamas and the other groups use the tunnels as a way to pop up where ever the Israeli military are located and open fire. I’ve been watching the Hamas and PIJ combat footage from Gaza since October. It’s a death by a thousand cuts. Everyday is Israeli soldiers killed or wounded. It may be small today but it adds up over time. And the tunnels allow Hamas to rest and recuperate while under fire. And they now have a large influx of recruits which means they can wage this war of attrition against Israel for as long as possible. Israel has no idea what they are doing in Gaza. These raids do nothing but exposes their soldier to ambushes. And if Israel is struggling this bad with Hamas they have no chance against Hezbollah. That’s why it’s not hyperbolic to say that war with Hezbollah will lead to a severe strategic defeat of Israel or likely its end.
 

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And actually the world is working exactly like that due to the incompetence of the Arab community. They powerless to stop the current conflict. Some are actually actively collaborating with Israel and U.S. cause it benefits them more. That’s how the world works.

You are aware that such a calculation will only end up working against Israel and the US if it keeps streching the rope until it breaks, right?. That at some point, specially as Israel and the US keeps weakening themselves and every international institution that proped them up, the calculation will shift and you lot we will be left out the dry and you'll have no one but your own ghoulishness to blame for it?
 
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