Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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Proton

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jiajia99 said:
It isn’t new in the sense that the end conclusion has already occurred a few times. Historically the Jewish people have been driven from the land one way or the other due to having very little regard for anyone other than themselves, kinda like right now. I would say that they haven’t learnt from history and are doomed to repeat history again, only this time, many more people are going to hate them for it compared to before. Doesn’t matter who decides the fate of Israel, all that matters in the end is Israel is screwed and we are going to watch it happen
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The Jewish people were never truly dispersed from Israel.

What we have is rather emigration of some and others staying and embracing other religions.
The Palestinians are far more connected to ancient Israelis than the vast majority of Jewish settlers.
 
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Proton said:
The Jewish people were never truly dispersed from Israel.

What we have is rather emigration of some and others staying and embracing other religions.
The Palestinians are far more connected to ancient Israelis than the vast majority of Jewish settlers.
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Who I meant are the current generation of Jews (aka the ones that came to Israel after the Second World War), the Palestinians have been there since the time when the majority of the Jew have been ejected from the land since the time of the Romans onwards and thus are the main victims of the current generation of genocidal lunatics. Sorry if I wasn’t clear then

When all is said and done, when history is finally written, these western backed settlers will be written as the vile monsters they truly are and the Palestinians will be seen as heroes and Netanyahu will go down in history as the 21st centuries version of that German with the mustache that everyone knows so well
 
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appeared in front of a controversial map of Israel that omits the occupied West Bank...

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has faced wide condemnation after showing a map that excluded the occupied West Bank in a news briefing on Monday.

The Israeli prime minister appeared standing in front of a wall-sized digital map where the occupied West Bank had been erased.

The Palestinian foreign ministry said the use of the map was “a blatant acknowledgement of Israel's colonial and racist agenda. The Ministry views this as a serious violation of international law, especially as Israel continues its war crimes against Palestinians aiming to deny their existence and their legitimate national rights.”

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jiajia99 said:
Who I meant are the current generation of Jews (aka the ones that came to Israel after the Second World War), the Palestinians have been there since the time when the majority of the Jew have been ejected from the land since the time of the Romans onwards and thus are the main victims of the current generation of genocidal lunatics. Sorry if I wasn’t clear then

When all is said and done, when history is finally written, these western backed settlers will be written as the vile monsters they truly are and the Palestinians will be seen as heroes and Netanyahu will go down in history as the 21st centuries version of that German with the mustache that everyone knows so well
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My point is that the Palestinians haven't been there since the time when "jews where ejected by the Romans" - they are descendents of the Jews that stayed.

Seperating the Palestinians from the ancient Jews is pseudoscientific racism - there's a very obvious lineage that is far stronger than the lineage between ancient Jews and Europan Jews.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
War of attrition with Israel is nothing new.

Historically, Israel has understood that war of attrition undermines its strengthen (high intensity war with decisive victory) and highlights it weakness (endurance).

Its proven security doctrine is short wars on enemy territory, supported by superior tech and financing from the United States.

Who decides if Israel collapses. Hamas, Hezbollah or Israel itself (Netanyahu in this case)?
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What will decide Israel collapses is the economy. Before this war there was minor capital flight because of the protest against Netanyahu. A lot of the big money secretly were horrified with Ben Gvir and Smotrich being in the government. After October 7 it has accelerated. With the north of Israel basically empty, and the government spending record amount of money on the war and supporting those who fled the north and south of Israel it’s putting strain on the economy. Foreign business like Intel closed their factories in Israel. And economic collapse is likely going to happen the longer Israel fights this multi front war of attrition. It is already the most expensive war in Israeli history. Businesses are closing, tourism is collapsing, etc. Even if there is a ceasefire there will many unresolved issues like the northern border. Many will leave if nothing happens. You also the major divisions in Israeli society and the radicalism of the society to be more unhinged.

Now Israel has friends in high places but if it becomes a bigger state like Ukraine it will be something that the founders did not want. They’ll be dependent on the west to the point that any change of policy will lead to its end. The way Israel is going it will likely face the prospect of deep austerity measures or hyperinflation. And that will impair their already fragile armed forces. And it doesn’t help that so many Israelis have dual citizenship. You already have Israelis complaining about a shortage of doctors. Many of them fled Israel to Europe,North America. The worse the economic conditions will be the professional class will leave. Why would an engineer who has a US or French passport stay in Israel with constant insecurity and collapsing economy. The only people that will be left in Israel will the radical Kahanist.
 
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