Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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250 billion shekels is about $67 billion.

Daddy Pow sneezes and accidentally prints double of that in a day.
No they don't.

And also Israel has no use for 67 billion dollars. What they ask for is weapons produced in factories, corresponding in value to 250 billion shekels. Where will US find that 250 billion shekels worth of weapons?
IMO this whole economy argument is completely irrelevant as long as US still exists in its current form
It is quite relevant especially because US exists in its current form and has not advanced it's industry to high modern arms output.
 

Overbom

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No they don't.

And also Israel has no use for 67 billion dollars. What they ask for is weapons produced in factories, corresponding in value to 250 billion shekels.
the context was about needing to finance the war in monetary terms in order for the budget to be more balanced. not strictly about weapons only


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Israeli Finance Minister plans 2025 spending cuts to fund Gaza war​

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September 3, 20246:26 PM GMT+3Updated a day ago


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich hold a news conference at the Israeli Prime Minister's office in Jerusalem




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  • Summary
  • War spending will not be limited in budget
  • Broad cuts of 35 billion shekels planned in 2025
JERUSALEM, Sept 3 (Reuters) - Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said on Tuesday the 2025 state budget will feature steep spending cuts as the government tries to balance fiscal responsibility with a need to finance Israel's ongoing war with Hamas in Gaza.
The minister has been under pressure from the Bank of Israel and investors seeking clarity on fiscal policy for next year. The central bank has been calling for spending cuts and tax hikes or other ways to bring in more revenue. But Smotrich has said that during a war it was wrong to raise taxes.

Speaking at a news conference, Smotrich outlined only his main focus points while formulating the budget, which he said would be ready for a cabinet vote in early October and an initial parliamentary vote in mid-November. Full approval by lawmakers would be at the end of December, he said.
"We are in the longest and most expensive war in Israel's history with expenses of 200 to 250 billion shekels ($54-$68 billion)," Smotrich said.

"We are not limiting war spending and we will support the war effort until victory," he said. "Without victory, there will not be security and without security there will no economy."
 

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the context was about needing to finance the war in monetary terms in order for the budget to be more balanced. not strictly about weapons only


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And as you know, money without wares is worthless. The war is financed through buying equipment and paying soldiers.

America's factories can only have a capacity to produce so much, no matter how many dollars you juice into them. Even if they print 10 trillion for Israel, it will not magic up any reservists Israel doesn't already have, and not magic up any products/weapons US wouldn't otherwise be making as well. It'd only achieve inflation for Israel.
 

Overbom

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And as you know, money without wares is worthless. The war is financed through buying equipment and paying soldiers.
at the moment, US green toilet paper can still be used to buy Chinese wares.

They can still buy Chinese steel, cars, industrial equipment/parts, software services, pharmaceutical supplies, building materials, electronic equipment etc

As long as that stands, Israel will be fine
 

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at the moment, US green toilet paper can still be used to buy Chinese wares.
Only at the rate China is spending back on mainly US products. Look at what China want to import and now look at what US doesn't want to sell to China any longer.
They can still buy Chinese steel, cars, industrial equipment/parts, software services, pharmaceutical supplies, building materials, electronic equipment etc
If they could do so at a scale that matters for Israel, why haven't they done so? Because there's no one in China willing to take an order like that from US/Israel for as much as 67 billion $... Money without the license to buy does nothing, especially when it's not even yuan.
As long as that stands, Israel will be fine
Where can US convert 67 billion $ to 250 billion shekels worth of weapons, air defenses, training and industrial assistance to Israel? You think China will grant Israel licenses for ammo and air defenses?? Yeah maybe if Israel bootlicked China, not otherwise.

Until Israel secures a stable source of weapons and mobilisation ability, they are far from fine, which I remind you is why they seek ceasefire with Hamas while Hamas have conducted additional mobilisation and canceled negotiation.
 

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My point is that the Palestinians haven't been there since the time when "jews where ejected by the Romans" - they are descendents of the Jews that stayed.

Seperating the Palestinians from the ancient Jews is pseudoscientific racism - there's a very obvious lineage that is far stronger than the lineage between ancient Jews and Europan Jews.
Interesting thing about the proto-Jews is that they themselves, according to the Torah, came from Egypt and invaded Canaan (Palestine). Moses led them out of Egypt. Some time after Moses, according to the Torah or Tanakh (I can't remember), they invaded and killed 30 kings in one day in Canaan and established the preceding nations of Judah, Israel, Moab, etc. These preceding nations also were not Jewish, just as Moses was not Jewish. Judaism began with the Kingdom of Judah much later.

But these Euro Zionist settlers with colonial intents fabricate history, taking elements which don't align with their motives and projecting them on Palestinians, such as that the Palestinians were Arab invaders and this land was originally Jewish, etc.
 

enroger

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250 billion shekels is about $67 billion.

Daddy Pow sneezes and accidentally prints double of that in a day.

IMO this whole economy argument is completely irrelevant as long as US still exists in its current form

There's a difference between healthy self sustaining economy and zombie economy on life support. This is not comparable to the Marshall plan at the end of ww2 where countries are finally at peace and US had all the industrial and infrastructure might in the world.

The situation with Israel is constant war and conscription leads to acute lack of work force, low confidence of capital, skilled labor escaping to other countries, the entire northern part of the country is evacuated, further escalation may see destruction of critical infrastructure even....etc.

What can the US do to save them? The US today is financial superpower that can print and print trillions yet an industrial dwarf that failed to build a simple pier with a few billion dollar budget. If Israel is trashed the US won't be able to rebuild it no matter how many billions they print.

And to take a slightly longer point of view, just how long do you think the US can keep printing? "US still exists in its current form" lmao
 

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