Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Boltzmann said:

So Gaza being physically destroyed and its entire population being either killed or forced to permanently flee, followed by Israeli annexation, is good for the Palestinian cause?

Do you understand how deranged this sounds?

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That was the same theory used in Native America.
If gazans die, so will israelis. Stop whining.

Nobo said:

That was the same theory used in Native America.
If gazans die, so will israelis. Stop whining.

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Last I checked the natives are effectively gone and their tormenters are all still here. Your example literally supports my point. And how do you propose the gazans will kill the Israelis?

The grace of God, perhaps?

Boltzmann said:

So Gaza being physically destroyed and its entire population being either killed or forced to permanently flee, followed by Israeli annexation, is good for the Palestinian cause?

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I think you overestimate Israel's forces and underestimate Palestinians if that's what you think it will happen.

Palestinians are already dieing by a thousand cuts due to Israel's policy of (yes that's what it is) ethnic cleansing. So if death or permanent exile is already their predetermined destiny, they might as well as go out with a bang.

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Also I detect quite a tone of bitterness in your posts. Do you feel offended that Palestinians will no longer sit back and wait for slaughter from Israel forces every week or so? Do you feel offended that Israel's open-prison prisoners in Gaza Strip stormed out of their prison for a breakout?

No need. If you kill someone expect to be killed back. Palestine is now switching strategies on how it will act towards Israel. The days of simply shooting some rockets and then calling it a day, are over

The Gazans have two effective choices. Die slowly as they are literally starved to death in an open air prison by the Israelis or die quickly and gloriously in a blaze of fire and steel. Said blaze has a non-zero chance of the rest of the Muslim world eventually destroying or at least impoverishing their tormentors.

The choice is obvious.

As for Israel. Live by the gun, die by the gun. Simple as.

FairAndUnbiased said:

the mindset of entitled rioter scum living in one of the safest and richest cities in the world being supported by all the world's propaganda mouthpieces while burning and killing, is unfamiliar to me.

However, I can understand the desperation of a people born into the de facto concentration camp of a concrete jungle surrounded by barbed wire and trigger happy guards, with 40% unemployment and poverty rates, and being told by the world that they don't matter.

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The martyr for the 2019 insurgency mind you was some guy who murdered his girlfriend in cold blood and fled justice. The freedom to murder your significant other is a critical human right for Hong Kongers and other Democratic peoples you see.

Long live Chan Tong-kai! Hero of the resistance against Communist tyranny!

Boltzmann said:

So Gaza being physically destroyed and its entire population being either killed or forced to permanently flee, followed by Israeli annexation, is good for the Palestinian cause?

Do you understand how deranged this sounds?

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So Israel, a state largely due to European guilt about the Holocaust .... plans to genocide Arabs 80 years later? Is this really how they want to be remembered? And even if they want to emulate Hitler ... how will the world react to such a heinous act?!?

People have seriously become desensitized to these horrific crimes. Reopening them again would awaken a nightmare in the entire Middle East. But I suppose that to people who are awaiting death, it makes little difference to die now than to die later.

Boltzmann said:

So Gaza being physically destroyed and its entire population being either killed or forced to permanently flee, followed by Israeli annexation, is good for the Palestinian cause?

Do you understand how deranged this sounds?

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I don't think Israel could attempt to do that without finding itself at war with Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

SinoAmericanCW said:

I don't think Israel could attempt to do that without finding itself at war with Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

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I do. Ukraine has taught us that nuclear coercion works. Even if you discount all conventional factors, the fact remains that Israel has these weapons and its adversaries do not. If they make a major incursion onto its territory without it having first done the same, then Israel will be on grounds to use them.

@lube I believe that taking such an explanation seriously, given everything else the ayatollahs have done, could only be done by a person who themselves believes in those religious ideals.

Boltzmann said:

I do. Ukraine has taught us that nuclear coercion works. Even if you discount all conventional factors, the fact remains that Israel has these weapons and its adversaries do not. If they make a major incursion onto its territory without it having first done the same, then Israel will be on grounds to use them.

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Counterpoint: Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack against Israeli territory in 1973, at a time when Israel already had nuclear weapons.

Israel didn't use them.

I also don't see how Ukraine shows that nuclear coercion works.

SinoAmericanCW said:

Counterpoint: Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack against Israeli territory in 1973, at a time when Israel already had nuclear weapons.

Israel didn't use them.

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Yeah this is true, but it won that war conventionally. If it started losing bad it would have used them. The same applies here; I don't expect Israel to use them immediately, but if the state's existence started to be imperilled then it would, and that is what keeps the Arab states out.

Boltzmann said:

I am not trying to "troll" China, and frankly I don't understand how you could read my message in good faith and get that conclusion. I am pointing out that islamist organizations have been historical enemies of the PRC and for that matter all major communist states, so it is bizzare to express support for such organizations on a forum that is expressly pro PRC.


Well given that China is controlled by a communist party with a monopoly on political power, led by an avowed communist, and maintains a socialist political economy, any China lover who is not a communist is either not very well read or has some serious explaining to do. Likewise for Palestine

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So, I think there is a common unifying ideology which you are ignoring, which is one of just being "anti-western" in the sense that almost anything which is bad for "the west" is automatically "good for China".

I personally don't have a major opinion or stance on this conflict, but if you are genuinely wondering why pro-PRC people may be indifferent to Israel's concerns and why they may be pro-Palestinian, and thinking that it occurs from the perspective of being "pro-XYZ religion" rather than being "pro-any action/group/activity which can weaken the interests and environment of western nations and their geopolitical allies".


That isn't to say I agree with the above logic, but if you want to distill it down that is essentially what it comes to.