Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

SinoAmericanCW

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Yeah this is true, but it won that war conventionally. If it started losing bad it would have used them. The same applies here; I don't expect Israel to use them immediately, but if the state's existence started to be imperilled then it would, and that is what keeps the Arab states out.
There's an obvious way for the Arab states to avoid this conundrum: go to war to save Gaza, not to destroy Israel.

Besides, in the first days of the 1973 war Israel felt that it was losing, and it still didn't use nuclear weapons.

Now don't get me wrong: I'm confident that Israel would have resorted to using nuclear weapons had Egypt, say, reached Be'er-Sheva and started slaughtering its Jewish population. I'm just suggesting that the threshold for nuclear use is actually quite high - indeed, much higher than most people would assume.

I feel the same way about the prospects of Russian nuclear use in Ukraine. Or of nuclear use by either party in an eventual Sino-American war.
 

SinoAmericanCW

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Or just being ambivalent and cautious when discussing a 1300 year old ethnic conflict that does not involve China at all. Is it truly to much to ask that people have a cursory understanding of a war's history before talking about it here?
The Israeli-Palestinian "conflict" isn't 1,300 year-old, though. It dates, at the very earliest, to the late 19th / early 20th centuries.
 

TK3600

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They might indeed be virtue signalling cannon fodder for the majority of politicians, but not for the common muslim. I already gave an example of what happened in Egypt, where a Policeman killed many israelis. Before that an Egyptian border guard killed 3 Israeli soldiers before dying, and was celebrated as a hero by his family and fellow countrymen. The average Egyptian was celebrating the death of IDF soldiers, in peace time, you call that not giving a crap?
As for the US controlling social media, you can't snuff out opinions about what's happening when they represent 90% of all posts in the last 48 hours.
Also you have Elon Musk, so he might just be unhinged enough to allow it.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Sorry to say this guys, but this thread needs a reality check. Too many posters are hypothesizing scenarios that have extremely remote probability of happening, such as Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia will come riding to the rescue of Hamas.

One analysis I've seen pointed out the outbreak of a new war in Israel meant three things:

1. A rise in oil prices.
2. The destabilization of China's southern Belt and Road corridor.
3. The diversion of American attention from Ukraine to Israel.

All signs point to Russia being the main beneficiary of such a conflict. Iran is also a contender, but #3 is just too big to be a coincidence.
 

Stierlitz

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Wall Street Journal quoting an Iranian official: If Iran properly is attacked, it will send its fighters from Syria to attack Israel


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Wall Street Journal quoting an Iranian official: If Iran is attacked, there will be strikes on the Zionist Regime from Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq in scales never seen before

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Hamas leadership informed the King of Qatar and his government that they are not opposed to a prisoner exchange deal that includes the release of all Palestinian female prisoners held in Israeli prisons in exchange for the release of all kidnapped women — both civilians and Off-duty IDF female soldiers — taken during the clashes and held by them in Gaza strip

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Sky News Arabia: The Central Bank of Israel announces the sale of 15% of its dollar reserves to stop the collapse of the shekel exchange rate

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Al Jazeera: Al-Qassam Brigades capture a new group of Israeli soldiers and engage in violent clashes inside the Gaza envelope settlements

 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Palestinians were living like caged animals. There's no future for them other than a slow purge. If they resist, at least they'll get some sympathy and room at the negotiating table. In fact, they will not be given anything for staying quiet. The only way to get anything in this life is to fiercely resist injustice and let the chips fall how they may.

Israel is faced again with the painful and totally unnecessary reality all oppressors eventually face about the geopolitics of hope. But as they have done every time before, they will learn the wrong lessons from this and continue on their dead-end path.

People will always have hope. If you seek to crush the hopes of a whole people in the deluded expectation that they will simply all lie down and die, you will find that they instead invest all of their hope into the dream of resistance.

To truly end a sectarian conflict, you have but two proven options. Genocidal mass murder, or reconciliation and integration. Israel doesn’t have the stomach for the former, but also lacks the courage for the later, which is why they are trapped in this never ending cycle of violence and hatred.

Israelis mocks China’s ‘Xinjiang model’ believing the American manufactured lies that China has achieved the former, when in reality China has gone the opposite way and fully embraced the latter and is now enjoying the fruits of its generosity and capacity for forgiveness. Israel will instead reap the bitter harvest for generations to come from planting more poisonous seeds of hatred in Gaza.
 
So, I think there is a common unifying ideology which you are ignoring, which is one of just being "anti-western" in the sense that almost anything which is bad for "the west" is automatically "good for China".

I personally don't have a major opinion or stance on this conflict, but if you are genuinely wondering why pro-PRC people may be indifferent to Israel's concerns and why they may be pro-Palestinian, and thinking that it occurs from the perspective of being "pro-XYZ religion" rather than being "pro-any action/group/activity which can weaken the interests and environment of western nations and their geopolitical allies".


That isn't to say I agree with the above logic, but if you want to distill it down that is essentially what it comes to.
Also @Boltzmann.

I would have to refine that to be "anti-Western-genocidal-colonialist" rather than "anti-Western" per se.

If you remove the ideological aspect entirely, that includes the religious and the political, what has been happening in modern times in the geography of "Israel" and "Palestine" is a local faction being leveraged by invasive Western settlers and nations to mistreat and displace other locals.

On a similar note. If you look at how Chinese society chooses and embraces economic reform since several decades ago and, this may require more work, if you look at how Chinese society handles religions and philosophies throughout history, Chinese society is more practical than anything else and observes what others practice.
 
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