Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

ansy1968

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One analysis I've seen pointed out the outbreak of a new war in Israel meant three things:

1. A rise in oil prices.
Agreed which will result in hyperinflation in the Collective West.
2. The destabilization of China's southern Belt and Road corridor.
Not China BUT of India, especially their dream of duplicating China BRI with the US.

And I think this will hasten the integration as major power such as the Gulf States and Iran look to China more favorably due to the stability of doing business than the Collective West.
3. The diversion of American attention from Ukraine to Israel.
Conundrum, Whom to support first with limited military materials available ,Israel or Ukraine BUT definitely not Taiwan, they will be down in pecking order by Washington DC.
All signs point to Russia being the main beneficiary of such a conflict. Iran is also a contender, but #3 is just too big to be a coincidence.
Also China, Another event that is favorable both economically, strategically and geopolitical. The American will be rethinking their war planned strategy in Taiwan which they wished to implement by 2025. They're experiencing an Imperial overreach not only them BUT their Vassals as well. So Chinese patience are bearing fruits, Emotion and hysteria are never part of CCP decision making. A major advantage compare to Western electoral system, were they need to act hastily without thinking the consequence of their action to win votes.
 
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Michael90

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You exactly right. This is a true Guerilla warfare of thousand cuts. But same goes for Israel too as they will probably kill hundreds of thousands in retaliation which they call "mowing the grass".

What will determine how this fight will look like over the long term is strength of backers of the both sides. For Israel, Its the collective west, for Palestinians its the muslims who have deep religious significance for the Al Aqsa Mosque. If Western Decline continues and Rise of the Rest continues then Israel is doomed over the long term. Cause they cannot win against 400 million muslims all around them and 1.8 billion muslims also supporting. The only reason they were able to win for so long was the backwardness of the Muslims.

If that Backwardness is slowly gone and they gain GDP, military strength and influence, then Israel will not be able to survive.
Seriously, it seems to me that some people here are so carried away with emotions and bias that they make some irrational statements.
Since when has the Muslim world been organised or united? They mist they can do is just give soe statements of support to Palestine and that's all. People should stop dreaming of this irrational so called Ummah. It doesn't exists in this world every country including Muslim ones are out there for their interests. Palestine offers them nothing other than some religious token for the various regimes to fan the flames of religion and Islam and shore support to their gullible masses .
Moroever the decline of the so called West is always overstated , the West isn't going anywhere anytime soon..moroever majority of Muslim countries you mentioned are allied or partners of the West. So I dont understand your point of them being against Israel and the West. Let's be relative for once and try and make some rational discussions here.
I believe its either Hamas planned this very well with Irans and Hezbollah support ad caugt Israel completely off guard or Israels nationalistic government led by Netanyahu who was so unpopular that he was said to be the most unpopular leader for a long time in Israel allowed Hamas to strike with more ease just to shore support for his government and get re-elected. His government has been opposed by many Israelis especially the left( who want better and more open treatment of Palestine and withdrawal of settlers) and even many in the military were against his policy of power grab against the supreme Court to protect himself from prosecution. I don't believe in conspiracy theories usually but at least there's a good rational on why he will make it easier for Hamas terror group to strike so he can unite the country(who was already very divided) under him and invade/strike Gaza as hard as possible while expanding the settlements which is what is nationalistic party always wanted.
This Hamas attack gives his government the perfect excuse and silences all the moderates and leftists etc who opposed his government. Unfortunately its not good news for Gazans whatsoever. Things will only get farrrrrrr worse for them than ever before.
 

tygyg1111

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Seriously, it seems to me that some people here are so carried away with emotions and bias that they make some irrational statements.
Since when has the Muslim world been organised or united? They mist they can do is just give soe statements of support to Palestine and that's all. People should stop dreaming of this irrational so called Ummah. It doesn't exists in this world every country including Muslim ones are out there for their interests. Palestine offers them nothing other than some religious token for the various regimes to fan the flames of religion and Islam and shore support to their gullible masses .
Moroever the decline of the so called West is always overstated , the West isn't going anywhere anytime soon..moroever majority of Muslim countries you mentioned are allied or partners of the West. So I dont understand your point of them being against Israel and the West. Let's be relative for once and try and make some rational discussions here.
I believe its either Hamas planned this very well with Irans and Hezbollah support ad caugt Israel completely off guard or Israels nationalistic government led by Netanyahu who was so unpopular that he was said to be the most unpopular leader for a long time in Israel allowed Hamas to strike with more ease just to shore support for his government and get re-elected. His government has been opposed by many Israelis especially the left( who want better and more open treatment of Palestine and withdrawal of settlers) and even many in the military were against his policy of power grab against the supreme Court to protect himself from prosecution. I don't believe in conspiracy theories usually but at least there's a good rational on why he will make it easier for Hamas terror group to strike so he can unite the country(who was already very divided) under him and invade/strike Gaza as hard as possible while expanding the settlements which is what is nationalistic party always wanted.
This Hamas attack gives his government the perfect excuse and silences all the moderates and leftists etc who opposed his government. Unfortunately its not good news for Gazans whatsoever. Things will only get farrrrrrr worse for them than ever before.
The long term trend is that as the west declines more and more, the peoples that it turned into enemies, some currently controlled as vassals, will take more and greater chances to dig the knife in and twist.

I know some posters want to avoid this elephant in the room, but it is the major theme at play here.

In addition, the arab world, as well as many other cultures, are slowly (or rapidly) rising out of their current cyclical low (which can be attributed to european invasion and plundering centuries ago, plus ongoing interference to this day), resulting in this global convergence.
 

Stierlitz

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Airstrike on Al-Sousi Mosque in Gaza without warning moments ago, martyrs and dozens of wounded are on scene

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First pics came out, its a massacre…

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Israel TV quoting military: 300,000 reservists called up in largest ever draft

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Scenes from inside the city of Beit Hanoun, Gaza

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Nobo

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So far in this thread, two member in more pain than the one fighting in Gaza,one from US & the other is from london. Is that a co-"accident" ? They have been trying to tell what should have been, what shouldn't have been. They are determining other's interest & good for others. Very cute :D

First pics came out, its a massacre…
I doubt it , looking at those. At these time gathering would be easy target. But given the time,at that time there wouldn't be many people in a mosk .
But that should add one more layer to the range of attack.
their best chance of inflicting damage is by purposefully targeting civilians which gives the a better chance of inflicting maximum casualties. That's the reality of jihadist groups/non state actors/militants
So that's what US "military" was doing in native america, panama, Nicaragua, Iraq,Syria,Libya
 
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Michael90

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Palestinian defense forces protect an illegal settler who was caught in a rapidly changing frontline (unlike in Ukraine).
Thats not completely right ,they have been killing civilians and point blank range and even going back to check if some were still alive and shooting them while recording and proudly cheering. They are not different from their jihadists brother like ISIS, AlQaeda, Uygur jihadists, Syrian jihadists, TTP of Pakistan or Islamic Jihad militant. They are all the same just fighting different opponents.

Anyway, jihadists groups don't have much choice to be honest, than adopt such plans usually since killing civilians is easier and soft targets for them . Especially when facing a far superior and conventional army/force. At most they can kill a few military officers/soldiers here and there once in a while but their best chance of inflicting damage is by purposefully targeting civilians which gives the a better chance of inflicting maximum casualties. That's the reality of jihadist groups/non state actors/militants
 

coolgod

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Airstrike on Al-Sousi Mosque in Gaza without warning moments ago, martyrs and dozens of wounded are on scene

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First pics came out, its a massacre…

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Israel TV quoting military: 300,000 reservists called up in largest ever draft

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Scenes from inside the city of Beit Hanoun, Gaza

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Looks pretty bad, I don't see this war stopping anytime soon.
 
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