Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

_killuminati_

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I think what Israel is doing is nothing approaching Nanjing level diabolically evil, but it is pretty much top tier inhuman barbarity only surpassed by the likes of Rwanda and Cambodia.
From what I've known, previous states that committed genocide and ethnic cleansing, went to great lengths to hide the act. But Israel does it openly. Openly genocidal without remorse.
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Netanyahu's foreign minister attempting to rewrite history, says Palestine is not a historical title (from March 2023)
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Note the map on his podium
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_killuminati_

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Put all of this together and it's starting to look like the only for Israel to 'win' in Gaza is actually by eventually making Hamas run out of ammo...by paying with Israeli blood! Not a good trade.
I still suspect this to be a punitive expedition. Not discounting Israeli losses or downplaying resistance' efforts, but the level of destruction in north Gaza atleast makes it unlivable. 50,000+ buildings damaged or destroyed; I don't think anybody will be able to live here again for a long time.

If Egypt's logic is correct (that Israel wants to expel Gazans into the Sinai), then Israel may have been partially successful because they've moved the Gazans closer to the Egyptian border (again, I'm basing this on habitability of north Gaza; I don't know for certain if it is habitable). And if this is correct, the next phase may involve bombing south Gaza and making it inhabitable.

For those same reasons I do not believe that America will involve itself in any war in the foreseeable future as an actual combatant, but that is going outside of the scope of this thread. Maybe I'll post something else in the Misc. or Taiwan strategy thread or something else, and also because my laptop is dying and I really need to go to the damn bathroom badly right now. Been sitting here typing this out too long.
US can just do clandestine operations, "contract work". Something has to feed the MIC.
 

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Unless you think this is a gesture of good will from Israeli, this means one of the ten active brigades has been made combat ineffective fighting Hamas, not even Hezbollah.

IIRC their brigade CO was KIA too.
Lebanese ex-general says IDF withdrew one specific battalion (the 13th "Gideon" Battalion), not the whole brigade.
 

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IDF vs tunnel

Al-Quds Brigade artillery fire (AQB is part of PIJ, not Hamas)

Rocket attack on IDF infantry. Initial reaction seems to suggest they were caught by surprise. @plawolf

IDF choppers rushing casualties to medics

'Israeli Soldiers Surrounded by Hezbollah in Four 'Vital' Positions on the Border'
 

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Chaos in Israeli streets: people abandon vehicles, run for shelter; Hamas rockets strike buildings

This report is titled "40% of IDF strength gone!"
 

Serb

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I still suspect this to be a punitive expedition. Not discounting Israeli losses or downplaying resistance' efforts, but the level of destruction in north Gaza atleast makes it unlivable. 50,000+ buildings damaged or destroyed; I don't think anybody will be able to live here again for a long time.

If Egypt's logic is correct (that Israel wants to expel Gazans into the Sinai), then Israel may have been partially successful because they've moved the Gazans closer to the Egyptian border (again, I'm basing this on habitability of north Gaza; I don't know for certain if it is habitable). And if this is correct, the next phase may involve bombing south Gaza and making it inhabitable.


They punished them collectively, but precisely because of that people will be even more radicalized in Gaza in the future, and Hamas will be even stronger in the future, get more recruits, fight even harder, have more extreme goals and take even more extreme actions, etc. This ties into the argument why Iran still didn't do anything, because Hamas is still doing fine, with prospects to become a stronger and bigger threat than ever in the future.

It's impossible to 'destroy' Hamas (it's not a physical tangible thing that you could actually destroy), the highest-level leaders are abroad, most of the soldiers are in the tunnels, etc, setting such unrealistic and idealistic goals shows just how much Israeli leaders are delusional. And even if they kill all current soldiers, they would just recruit new ones as long as ideology and leadership remain and they have support from some foreign actors like now in terms of funding/resources.

Egypt already said they don't give a damn about Israelis' plans to push the population of Gaza inside of their borders, they will remain in Gaza, in cut-off territory compressed smaller than before, but still inside of Gaza. Israel's only hope is to find a peaceful resolution or kill all the 2 million people one by one. There is no other way, either kill/expel all 2 million people or accept the 2-state solutions, stop being genocidal.

Honestly, I think Israeli leadership has actually no idea what they are doing right now. In fact, maybe it is just some kind of typical Western-like hubris, or some kind of emotional, hate-driven response. But you can't convince me that they have any strategy or vision. Yeah, some anti-Muslim extremists around the world will keep tweeting and celebrating the genocide, but for the long term, Israel is in a worse situation than it was ever before in terms of security, economy, and international standing (Iran doesn't need to do anything, it's just sitting, rubbing its hands).
 

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They punished them collectively, but precisely because of that people will be even more radicalized in Gaza in the future, and Hamas will be even stronger in the future, get more recruits, fight even harder, have more extreme goals and take even more extreme actions, etc. This ties into the argument why Iran still didn't do anything, because Hamas is still doing fine, with prospects to become a stronger and bigger threat than ever in the future.

It's impossible to 'destroy' Hamas (it's not a physical tangible thing that you could actually destroy), the highest-level leaders are abroad, most of the soldiers are in the tunnels, etc, setting such unrealistic and idealistic goals shows just how much Israeli leaders are delusional. And even if they kill all current soldiers, they would just recruit new ones as long as ideology and leadership remain and they have support from some foreign actors like now in terms of funding/resources.

Egypt already said they don't give a damn about Israelis' plans to push the population of Gaza inside of their borders, they will remain in Gaza, in cut-off territory compressed smaller than before, but still inside of Gaza. Israel's only hope is to find a peaceful resolution or kill all the 2 million people one by one. There is no other way, either kill/expel all 2 million people or accept the 2-state solutions, stop being genocidal.

Honestly, I think Israeli leadership has actually no idea what they are doing right now. In fact, maybe it is just some kind of typical Western-like hubris, or some kind of emotional, hate-driven response. But you can't convince me that they have any strategy or vision. Yeah, some anti-Muslim extremists around the world will keep tweeting and celebrating the genocide, but for the long term, Israel is in a worse situation than it was ever before in terms of security, economy, and international standing (Iran doesn't need to do anything, it's just sitting, rubbing its hands).
But they do. I am just not sure how realistic it would be. As we speak they are already salting the earth.
 

Serb

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To sum up a few major recent developments and my two cents:


- Shia resistance groups physically storming US bases in Iraq for the first time in history. (Due to their absolutely low numbers and the hostile environment they are in, not just from the resistance groups, but the official government Is very pro-Iran too, I predict the US soldiers there will eventually start to be taken as hostages by Shia paramilitaries sometime in the future).

- Iranian drones flying directly over US aircraft carriers and monitoring/recording them openly for the first time by any country. Showing passively who is the boss in the region, and that they are not afraid of the US overhyped global military threat, especially regarding those aircraft carriers. This is their home field when they have everything under control.

- Israel-headed ships have to go behind the entire Africa to reach Israeli ports hitting the Israeli economy where it hurts the most (ports closing, shipping companies stocks plummeting, imports plummeting). Western ships seized and hit left and right, the first time in history that this kind of Iranian-led blockade and another major show of force and domination happened in the Middle East.

- Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, and other neighboring countries REJECTED the US in terms of going against Houthis (why would they, with peace now in Yemen brokered by China, right now as we speak Saudis and Iran are meeting in China left and right). The US managed to convince only Bahrain and Seychelles, from the greater region of the discussion, but in reality it means it didn't manage to convince anyone (non-factors). Now even France and Australia are in talks of leaving the coalition before it even started really.







- So, why should China join the US Operation Prosperity Guardian? China stands with the Palestinian people. Costco ships are not stopping at the Israeli port. China's shipping business is not negatively impacted. On the contrary, it seems Costco is overwhelmed with orders. Moreover, the Red Sea obstruction gives a huge boost to China's Eurasian rail business. Against all odds, China has been developing these rail routes. This rail route has been vehemently attacked by the USA/UK in the same fashion as the Russian-Europe Nordstream pipelines. it seems they are paying off greatly now, and China is even benefiting from this crisis overall thanks to them, so why should they help Zionists and the West?
 

_killuminati_

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- Iranian drones flying directly over US aircraft carriers and monitoring/recording them openly for the first time by any country. Showing passively who is the boss in the region, and that they are not afraid of the US overhyped global military threat, especially regarding those aircraft carriers. This is their home field when they have everything under control.
This isn't new. Iran's older drones were flying over carriers more than a decade ago. Many times they revealed the aerial footage, including once when the drone was monitoring a carrier for quite some time until the latter scrambled a couple jets to intercept the drone.

- So, why should China join the US Operation Prosperity Guardian? China stands with the Palestinian people. Costco ships are not stopping at the Israeli port. China's shipping business is not negatively impacted. On the contrary, it seems Costco is overwhelmed with orders. Moreover, the Red Sea obstruction gives a huge boost to China's Eurasian rail business. Against all odds, China has been developing these rail routes. This rail route has been vehemently attacked by the USA/UK in the same fashion as the Russian-Europe Nordstream pipelines. it seems they are paying off greatly now, and China is even benefiting from this crisis overall thanks to them, so why should they help Zionists and the West?
This article reports that the Eurasian rail frieght volume has dwindled due to European sanctions which include restrictions on freight trains coming from Russia and Belarus; increased volume in freight to Russia due to sanctions, but the trains do not go beyond Russia.
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