Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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gelgoog

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Gloire_bb said:
Iranian smaller ones aren't that fast during terminal guidance. They pay for that with very small detection window (which is probably we saw them miss against simple targets. Small mistake with aim - and splash).
Yes, they're relatively simple because of that(but "good", KISS kind of simple), and still a pain in the ass to deal with.

Chinese, Russian (and soon US) high-speed ASBMs are radar-guided.
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Iran has electro-optical and radar guided AShBMs. Just like I said they are Fateh missile derivatives.
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plawolf said:
No offence intended, but you do realise that infantry screening for tanks doesn’t mean infantry forming a meat shield around the tanks right?

The point of dismounted infantry screening tanks is that infantry should be advancing with the tanks, checking every door and window for hostile. Someone pokes an RPG out of a hole, you have 10 times the chance of spotting it before it shoots with your squad dismounted than all crammed inside IFVs replying on just the commander/gunner to spot and engage threats.
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I know the point of screening but with all the congested rubble, I don't think it is a doable task in this scenario without incurring massive casualties. Palestinian fighters do hit and run. They don't stand around much for gun battles. With the amount of rubble laying around, the congestion, narrow crevices and tunnels everywhere, it is indeed an impossible task. Just as you mentioned, bombing the place made it impossible.

plawolf said:
And even if an enemy does pop off a shot, your infantry should have a better chance of making them pay a blood price for that shot.

The biggest and most unforgivable amateur mistake the Israelis are making is in forgetting that tanks can’t win and hold ground. How can you be sure the ruined buildings you just drove past isn’t full of Hamas fighters without someone going in and checking?
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Even if somebody is going in and checking, it doesn't guarantee that the building won't be occupied again by resistance fighters. The buildings would require continuous occupation which is next to impossible. That's my guess of IDF logic. But I do agree, tanks alone are largely useless.

plawolf said:
Does fighting Hezbollah mean Israel don’t have to fight Hamas in Gaza anymore? Why start a new fight when you have already bitten off more than you can chew with the fight you are already in?
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Maybe they will pull back from Gaza.

I don't believe the Israeli narrative that they went in to exterminate Hamas. I believe they wanted to destroy Gaza and permanently displace it's population, Nakba 2.0. Reports from couple weeks ago showed how IDF airstrikes alone had damaged more than 56,000 buildings in Gaza. That's twice as many buildings than the total membership of Hamas.

plawolf said:
That’s my point. So did Hezbollah, who also failed to live up to its threats, and now Israel is openly talking about invading Lebanon.

Show weakness to a bully and you invite attack, that is obvious. What isn’t obvious is whether inviting Israel to attack was the plan all along.
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TK3600

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tankphobia said:
I think the more surprising thing was the Houthis successful strike via Ballistic missile on a cargo ship. Granted it was stationary and GPS rather than actively guided, it points to the fact that Iranian GPS tech is actually quite good, a guided version should not be underestimated.

I wish we had some sort of post strike picture to see the damage inflicted.
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There are rumor it is actually Beidou guided not GPS for Iran. Anyone can verify this?
 
solarz

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plawolf said:
Hezbollah have been inflicting heavy losses on Israel because of its forward deployment stance. If Israel opens up the distance, their losses will massively diminish to a much more sustainable level. That would be the smart play, to minimise their losses in the north and come back and deal with Hezbollah once they are done with Hamas. Not go opening up a second front when you are making a laughing stock of your military. The only way invading Lebanon makes sense is if the objective of that move isn’t military, but political and diplomatic as I outlined before. Otherwise Israel is being led by a bunch of over emotional idiots who are letting their egos make their decisions instead of their brains if they honestly think they can handle a two front war without overwhelming US direct involvement.
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I believe Israel is keeping its best troops in the north and using conscripts to deal with Gaza, hence the poor performance we are seeing.

_killuminati_ said:
I know the point of screening but with all the congested rubble, I don't think it is a doable task in this scenario without incurring massive casualties. Palestinian fighters do hit and run. They don't stand around much for gun battles. With the amount of rubble laying around, the congestion, narrow crevices and tunnels everywhere, it is indeed an impossible task. Just as you mentioned, bombing the place made it impossible.
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Without infantry sweeping the ground, all the IDF doing is sending armored vehicle from one location to another.
 
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solarz said:
Without infantry sweeping the ground, all the IDF doing is sending armored vehicle from one location to another.
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I haven't seen IDF doing much else.

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If this strategy works and water also seeps out of holes above ground, then Gaza's soil will be inundated with brine, unable to produce vegetation possibly forever.
 
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TK3600 said:
Tbh this is intended behavior. Tunnels has drainage, etc. Unlikely to stop Hamas.
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Where do the drains go? Only way I can see is water must be pumped up again somewhere.

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al-Qassam claims to have killed Ukranian mercenaries in Gaza. Spanish media reports Spanish mercenaries relocated from Ukraine to Gaza because Israel paid well with better equipment.
 
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Level of destruction in Israel. Cities on fire. Iron Dome is proving as inept as the IDF ground invasion. 5:38 shows a huge cloud of smoke over the horizon.

Russia has apparently deployed troops in the Golan Heights

Israeli real estate projects .. in Gaza

Malaysia bans Israeli ships from docking at it's ports
 
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