Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

tankphobia

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My only hope is that someday in the future we can have peace in this region. I am just not sure how either side can reconcile their differences. At some point it just becomes an endless wave of violence with no real goal outside of petty vengeance.
This region has seen bloodshed since antiquity, even without the existence of Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia is happy to paint the sands red with their proxy wars. One should be glad that the existence of nukes have prevented the same from happening between major powers around the globe.
 

Minm

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It's just incredible that America and its Western puppet governments are openly and unequivocally supporting ethnic cleansing, to the overwhelming opposition of the global south, who should be more accurately termed the global majority. What is the geopolitical benefit to backing this highly unpopular and quasi-fascist state? How could any sane US diplomat not see that this is shooting their own credibility in the foot?
That's why I don't call these countries the global South, but the international community

This region has seen bloodshed since antiquity, even without the existence of Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia is happy to paint the sands red with their proxy wars. One should be glad that the existence of nukes have prevented the same from happening between major powers around the globe.
Which region hasn't had wars since antiquity? West Asia was relatively peaceful after the Ottomans and the Persians made peace in 1639 until the first world war brought the British and French to the region
 

Petrolicious88

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It's just incredible that America and its Western puppet governments are openly and unequivocally supporting ethnic cleansing, to the overwhelming opposition of the global south, who should be more accurately termed the global majority. What is the geopolitical benefit to backing this highly unpopular and quasi-fascist state? How could any sane US diplomat not see that this is shooting their own credibility in the foot?
No one is going to do anything except empty talk. America can pretty much do whatever it wants. Who’s going to sanction Israel..ahem I mean America.
 
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It's just incredible that America and its Western puppet governments are openly and unequivocally supporting ethnic cleansing, to the overwhelming opposition of the global south, who should be more accurately termed the global majority. What is the geopolitical benefit to backing this highly unpopular and quasi-fascist state? How could any sane US diplomat not see that this is shooting their own credibility in the foot?
The geopolitical benefit is that Israel is an anchor of US power in the region, in addition to a highly capable partner for gathering intelligence on Mideast affairs. It also splits Iranian attention between multiple fronts.

The simple fact of the situation is that none of the countries that oppose Israel to the point of being willing to take real action over it have the capacity to inflict meaningful economic costs on the US. It doesn't matter how many people they have if they don't make anything the US uses. China is the only country with the capability and political independence to seriously punish the US economically, but it would suffer badly itself if it did this, and regardless they don't really care about this conflict beyond how it might affect the energy market.
 

H2O

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What is the geopolitical benefit to backing this highly unpopular and quasi-fascist state? How could any sane US diplomat not see that this is shooting their own credibility in the foot?

Geopolitical benefit is that Israel is used as an outpost to disrupt and harass their adversaries. US (if you can call them that) diplomats know their hegemony over the region is slipping away. What you're seeing are acts of desperation. Their current economic situation compounds the problem.

So, if this moment is the last time you can take on your adversary, where there will not be another opportunity to do so for many decades (or even centuries) to come, then you would go for it. Full ahead and damn the torpedoes.


No one is going to do anything except empty talk. America can pretty much do whatever it wants. Who’s going to sanction Israel..ahem I mean America.

True but there are consequences. Given how America have been throwing economic sanctions around like candy during Halloween, the end result would be no different if the World had sanctioned America.
 

H2O

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Yemen is throwing their hat into the ring...

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Yemen’s Houthi rebels claim they launched a “large number” of ballistic missiles and drones towards Israel and warned of more attacks to come. Israel earlier said it destroyed an unidentified “aerial target” over the Red Sea on Tuesday morning. “There was no threat or risk to civilians,” the Israeli military said. The incident triggered air raid sirens in the popular Red Sea tourist resort of Eilat and sent residents running for shelter.

Separately, the Israeli military said that it used the “Arrow” aerial defence system for the first time since the October 7 outbreak of the war with Hamas to intercept a surface-to-surface missile in the Red Sea fired towards its territory.

Yahya Saree, a spokesperson for the Houthi’s military, said the operation was the third targeting Israel and threatened to carry out more strikes “until the Israeli aggression stops.” Earlier, a senior Houthi official told the AFP news agency that the Iran-backed Yemeni group had sent drones towards southern Israel. “These drones belong to the state of Yemen,” Abdelaziz bin Habtour, prime minister of the Houthi government, said.
 

KYli

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Americans and Europeans in the last two years have tried very hard to corner Russia as the aggressor and demonize China as a bad actor. What had happened in Gaza Strip has completely destroyed any moral high ground of the Western powers with their double standards.

No matter what others say, from My POV, Europeans and Americans have paid lip service to the ethnic cleansing in Gaza Strip. So all of them should stop preaching the world about how unjust war Russians are waging in Ukraine because what Israel is doing is far worse in term of human suffering.

We are looking at thousands of civilians deaths and almost total destruction of civilian infrastructure just for initial few weeks of Israeli bombing and ground invasion. If nothing is changed for a few more weeks, we are looking at human catastrophe in huge scale. Without clean water, food, medicine or electricity, Palestinians either dead at hunger or diseases or forced to flee to Egypt. Either ways, this is ethnic cleansing.

I just hope that many pro-West people stop preaching they are the good guys and Russians are the bad guys. No one is buying this crap anymore.
 

quim

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Americans and Europeans in the last two years have tried very hard to corner Russia as the aggressor and demonize China as a bad actor. What had happened in Gaza Strip has completely destroyed any moral high ground of the Western powers with their double standards.

No matter what others say, from My POV, Europeans and Americans have paid lip service to the ethnic cleansing in Gaza Strip. So all of them should stop preaching the world about how unjust war Russians are waging in Ukraine because what Israel is doing is far worse in term of human suffering.

We are looking at thousands of civilians deaths and almost total destruction of civilian infrastructure just for initial few weeks of Israeli bombing and ground invasion. If nothing is changed for a few more weeks, we are looking at human catastrophe in huge scale. Without clean water, food, medicine or electricity, Palestinians either dead at hunger or diseases or forced to flee to Egypt. Either ways, this is ethnic cleansing.

I just hope that many pro-West people stop preaching they are the good guys and Russians are the bad guys. No one is buying this crap anymore.
White supremacists simply don't care what other people feel or think.

They proudly armed Ukraine to weaken their enemy Russia, armed Israel to weaken Iran and the entire Middle East and armed Taiwan to weaken China in the future. If they achieved this, they were successful and will only be proud of it.

They never cared if they were going to kill millions of innocent people with this. They have already killed millions of indigenous people in America, millions of people in India, millions of Africans, millions of Chinese. They find this a sign of their indisputable strength and are proud of it, as those preferred by God with a mandate from heaven to do whatever they want.

Who really cares if they kill a few more Palestinians if it shows that they are superior and still in command and no one is doing anything to stop them?

Arabs are major savers of dollars. After this massacre against their Palestinian brothers they will continue to buy a lot of dollars and without any competition, simply because there will be no alternative to the dollar.

The dollar is held by US military power primarily, not economic security. If when an opportunity arises to arm America's adversaries, Russia, Iran and China get scared and do nothing, it's because they will never do anything while we're alive. Any alternative to US will be killed.

The US will arm itself more, create new military bases and show more dominance and pay everything with debt, and the Arabs and China will pay that debt, continue to use dollars and absorb inflation without interfering in the US' path. Unfortunately, that's all the world can see now.
 
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