Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

FairAndUnbiased

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This is quite insane. And a real tragedy. There’s no way to whitewash this easily
Proof that when Russia says they try to only target military, they are actually doing so. And more interestingly, either certain "PGMs" aren't working, or they are working but being targeted against nonmilitary targets.
 

manqiangrexue

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Terrible acting. It is surprising they got world sympathy with their acting.
It has nothing to do with the acting and they have only the Western-aligned world on their side, which, as we have seen before, shades quite a small area of the globe. Countries that don't take orders from Washington see the evil acts committed and countries that do take orders from Washington will invent new yoga poses with their mental gymnastics to get their population to support Isreal no matter what they do or how they act. Netanyahu can come on the news tomorrow and eat a live Palestinian baby and they would have to find a way to explain to their people why that's not bad and why he needs to be supported.
 

FriedButter

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Really? Why posting such garbage, in Russua Medwedew is also constantly threatening to wipe out Berlin, London, Paris … we shouldn’t read too much into some hawk‘s words.

Which was the only source I could find with Blinken comments at the moment and the question I was asking about. Now of course you would whine if I didn’t post a source for this either way. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t.
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Israel says it has evidence of Iranian 'involvement' in Hamas attack - but 'cannot elaborate'​

Israel has evidence of Iranian "involvement" in the Hamas terror attack that left more than 1,400 people dead and over 200 kidnapped, a senior Israeli military officer has said.

Major General Michael Edelstein, a veteran commander who is retired but is now working with the Israel Defence Forces' (IDF) Southern Command because of the war, said the attackers were "well trained, well equipped".

"You definitely can see evidence, we have evidence of Iranian involvement," he told a briefing with journalists on Monday after the Israeli military showed a nearly 45-minute compilation of footage from the 7 October carnage.

The commander did not present any specific evidence of Iranian involvement beyond his testimony. He also declined to elaborate on what this evidence consisted of.

"I cannot elaborate too much, but you can understand what I mean. Not just about equipment but more than this."

His comments appear to go further than previous remarks by officials about the potential for an Iranian link to the bloodshed beyond the fact that Tehran has long offered military and financial support to the Palestinian militant group, which controls Gaza.

The assault, from the Palestinian territory into southern Israel, prompted Israeli leaders to declare war on Hamas.

Asked whether the evidence that had been gathered meant the Hamas fighters had been trained abroad, the Israeli officer said: "I cannot elaborate. I am sorry.

"They built some training sites within Gaza and I can tell they act very professionally, unfortunately. In a very evil way.

"But this is the way they were trained to act."

The officer also said that documents found on the bodies of militants who were killed in the attack as well as with dozens of fighters who have been captured provide evidence of the specific instructions they were given.

Asked whether this meant the Palestinian group had a chemical weapons capability, Major General Edelstein said: "We are still looking for evidence about whether they have it or not.

"But the orders were there, as our president mentioned… orders were there.

"Orders were there on how many to kill, how to kill, how many to take as hostages. Orders were there to rape. It wasn't something that just happened... all was written and ordered."
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US says Iran assisting base attacks, confirms advisors in Israel​

US concerns have been rising about the potential for escalation of the war between Israel and Hamas militants, although Washington has rejected calls for a ceasefire as it says that ally Israel has a right to self-defense.

"Iran continues to support Hamas and Hezbollah, and we know that Iran is closely monitoring these events and, in some cases, actively facilitating these attacks and spurring on others who may want to exploit the conflict for their own good or for that of Iran," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters at the White House.

"We know Iran's goal is to maintain some level of deniability here, but we're not going to allow them to do that," Kirby added.

Until the flareup in violence, President Joe Biden's administration had hailed a period of relative calm with pro-Iranian militias in the region following quiet talks between US and Iranian officials.

But since Wednesday, at least five rocket and drone attacks have targeted three Iraqi military bases where American troops are stationed as part of the international coalition set up to fight the Islamic State group.

Iran's Shiite clerical leaders support Hamas as well as the Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah, Shiite paramilitary groups in Iraq and Yemen's Huthi rebels.

The United States has promised major defense aid to Israel since the October 7 assault by Hamas militants. Kirby confirmed that the United States has also sent a "few" military advisors to Israel.

The officers have experience in "the sorts of operations that Israel is conducting, and may conduct in the future" and were "over there to share some perspectives," Kirby said.

Israeli officials say more than 1,400 people have died, mostly civilians, in the worst attack since Israel's creation in 1948.

In Gaza, the Hamas-run health ministry says more than 5,000 people, most of them also civilians, have been killed during Israel's retaliation.

With conditions dire in Gaza, European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said Monday that he expected the bloc's leaders to call jointly for a "humanitarian pause" to let in assistance.

The United States rejected calls to pause operations.

A ceasefire would "give Hamas the ability to rest, to refit and to get ready to continue launching terrorist attacks against Israel," State Department spokesman Matthew Miller told reporters.

"You can understand perfectly clearly why that's an intolerable situation for Israel, as it would be an intolerable situation for any country that has suffered such a brutal terrorist attack and continues to see the terrorist threat right on its border," he said.

Miller said that the United States was separately working to ensure a flow of humanitarian relief into Gaza, with a US envoy, David Satterfield, on the ground working "intensively" on aid.
 

Stierlitz

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"The Red Cross is on the way to receive 50 hostages with dual citizenship. According to sources within Gaza, the finalization of a potential deal is currently underway, with Qatari mediation playing a crucial role. The Red Cross are on their way to receive a group of about 50 of the abductees with dual citizenship."

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Hamas says it has released two hostages

Hamas has said it released two more hostages Monday, Reuters is reporting.

It comes as reports in Israel suggest a deal may be imminent to secure the release of about another 50 abductees with dual nationality. The group released Americans Natalie and Judith Raanan on Friday.

No more details were immediately available about Monday’s reported release, but Reuters said it was announced by the armed wing of Hamas and involved “mediation” by Qatar and Egypt.
 

H2O

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Bibi backed himself into a corner when he did a general mobilization. He can't disband them without some actions, he can't disband them and then risk Hezbollah or Hamas launching another mass action. But how long can they keep those conscripts in uniforms and off jobs?

Oh did he ever! Israel's war will last as long the printing press can continue to run.


Seems Israel decided to pull a "Iraq has WMD's" from the US manuals and started to accuse Hamas of planning a chemical attack. The evidence?. A "document retrieved from the body of a Hamas fighter" that has both the ISIS flag and "Al-Qaeda" en plain english written on it.

Document retrieved? Right. I guess that Deif guy narrative didn't yield the expected result. Now, they're resorting to "found" documents.


Really? Why posting such garbage, in Russua Medwedew is also constantly threatening to wipe out Berlin, London, Paris … we shouldn’t read too much into some hawk‘s words.
Why mentioning Blinken or since when did Blinken say this? The report above noted, Israel's Minister of Economy Nir Barkat said this.

Although both are not holding the defense portfolio, Barkat and Medvedev are in positions of authority and such statements should be taken seriously. Granted there's no guarantee such statements would be carried out by their respective governments due to the fluidic nature of politics. On the other hand, hawkish comments from think tanks and former diplomats can be taken with a grain of salt.
 

Zichan

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Is Israel even trying to rescue the hostages?

When the US went after bin Laden in Pakistan, they didn’t go all out and nuke the country, but instead sent in special forces and surgically “removed” him.

One would imagine Israel ought to be doing something similar, but I fail to grasp their strategy.
 
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