Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Stierlitz

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Maj. Gen. (res.) Gadi Shamni, a former commander of the IDF’s Gaza Division and former military attaché in the United States, tells Channel 12 in the wake of US President Joe Biden’s visit that “the United States is expecting us to destroy Hamas.”

What’s more, says Shamni, even if there weren’t an American green light, Israel must not end this war until “Hamas is utterly beaten… and Gaza demilitarized.” By the end, all the hostages must be returned, and Israel must determine the conditions for Gaza’s reconstruction, possibly with a return of Palestinian Authority rule there, he says.

He says Hamas recognizes that Israel has a leadership problem, without effective “hands on the wheel,” and castigates Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for having “nurtured” Hamas, including by “inviting billions” in funding to flow into the Strip.

Shamni says the military task is “complex” but the IDF can do it — “it has the fighters, the weaponry, the fighting spirit and the determination.”

The mission will last 6-8 months, he predicts. “Conquering Gaza, taking control of Gaza… will take a few weeks.” Then Israel will have to kill and capture Hamas’s armed forces. “Thousands will have to be jailed in the Negev to serve as bargaining chips” for the over 200 captives Hamas holds hostage.

“If Israel were to free [Palestinian security prisoners] as Hamas wants, that would be defeat for Israel. It would merely invite further attacks.”

“So there is no choice. People who talk of other options, to do it all from the air” are mistaken, he says. Airstrikes are important, but ultimately the ground forces have to go in.

He says Hamas “can absorb a lot” of punishing military strikes, and that the terror groups feel “like they have a bonanza” with so many hostages. “They think that they can bend us to their will.” The IDF should be careful in areas where it thinks hostages are being held, but overall, “the IDF must move forward with full force.”

Shamni says the IDF is capable of acting simultaneously on the northern front against Hezbollah if needed, and controlling the West Bank. Ultimately, he adds, Hezbollah must be pushed back from its positions at the northern border. “That too we will have to solve by force,” he says, since diplomacy won’t push Hezbollah back.

“The reality there is worse” than it was before the 2006 Israel-Lebanon war, he says, and “people won’t go back to live” in the northern border area near Lebanon unless or until Hezbollah is pushed back.

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Spokesman for the Israeli Prime Minister told Sky News Arabia: If Hezbollah launches an attack, every Lebanese will know the consequences

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Astounding how casually Israel can make these genocidal threats without anyone in the West batting an eyelid.
 
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generalmeng

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There is a difference between saying and doing. Deep in their hearts, all muslims view israel, in polite terms, as an occupying force, an abomination that must be removed from their lands, and especially their holiest of sites.
It's similar to how Chinese view Japanese occupation, except the muslim countries didn't have the power to evict the invaders.
Jews lived in present-day Israel for thousands of years. The problem in 1948 was the creation of a Jewish state (while the state itself was not a real problem). This state comes with massive Jewish immigration and the eviction of Arabs (Palestinians) from their native land.

If your family lived there for many years, and someone comes and kicks you out. I am certain they will be mad.

At the time (1948), I believe the agreement was 50% each. Now it's more like 30% Arab land and 70% Jewish land. This number will slowly change in favor of Israelis.
 

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There are millions protesting in Muslim world right now. At the very least it is already forcing government to take positions previously did not want to take.
Yeah it can pressure on a few governments to take more positions. But that's the most it do and even that is not assured since many governments will still keep their positions . So saying we will see governments in the West being toppled because of this is laughable..lol They have much more pressing issues at home to think about.
 

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Another piece of analysis that shreds Israeli claims.


Also, some here said Pentagon did it's investigation, guess what...Pentagon basically took what Israel and their trolls gave them and agreed to it, because why the hell won't they, lmao.

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It's really appalling some well respected members having seen this trick play out multiple times in the past in various parts of the world, fell for it this time. Please be more vigilant and careful!
 

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BREAKING: Biden on the Gaza Hospital Bombing - I am not saying that Hamas was the one that deliberately bombed the hospital - The Pentagon says it is unlikely that Israel was behind the attack on the hospital
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Another piece of analysis that shreds Israeli claims.


Also, some here said Pentagon did it's investigation, guess what...Pentagon basically took what Israel and their trolls gave them and agreed to it, because why the hell won't they, lmao.

See here:
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It's really appalling some well respected members having seen this trick play out multiple times in the past in various parts of the world, fell for it this time. Please be more vigilant and careful!
 

phrozenflame

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Yeah it can pressure on a few governments to take more positions. But that's the most it do and even that is not assured since many governments will still keep their positions . So saying we will see governments in the West being toppled because of this is laughable..lol They have much more pressing issues at home to think about.
Unfortunately this is the truth, due to various reasons which can be summed up as geopolitical dependencies and weaknesses, nothing will happen.

Also one must remember the concept of 'Muslim Ummah' or a 'Muslim nation' or 'Muslim unity' is at best a theoretical construct and has never existed in history. It is a wishful thought, a red herring, a fantasy to indulge one's mind. A great idea for TV or movie based on alternate reality. Tons of money to be made here. It's a notion unfortunately unfortunately similar to 'Akhand Bharat' that has never existed in history. The closest Sub continent came to Akhand Bharat was under a Buddhist and a Muslim emperor, the irony.

Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) direct family was murdered in political power struggle less than 50 years after his death and people are talking of Muslim unity. It's a misguided red herring.

Palestine's best bet is a multipolar law based world order. Wink wink.
 

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But at the same time, if you deny there will be fights with the rest of the world outside Palestine, you are already wrong by now. What Iranian proxies are doing is an indisputable act of war.
Which rest of the world are you talking about bro? Lol no country will go to war with Israel as I told you before, not even Iran. The only country that I can see going to war with Israel like recently before is Lebanon and that's because of militias group like Hezbollah not because of the Lebanese government or military or people. Shia militia group Hezbollah is the one that defacto controls Lebanon and decides if they wil drag Levanon to war or not. The Lebanese government/state/military are powerless towards Hezbollah. In short Hezbollah has kinda taken the country hostage if we want to put it in another way.
So yeah Hezbollah is the only party who can drag her country to war, and that's also because they are a militias group not a conventional army of a country. So they can avoid some rules of war and avoid fighting conventional like a regular army/military and they don't have much responsibilities to follow the rules of war as a non state actor..so this complicates things for their adversaries, since they also have plausible deniability in this regard. Something a country's regular army doesn't have. So yeah I can see Lebanon getting involved duebto Hezbollah but that's it. Nobody else is getting involved here in fighting Israel. Since the others are state actors who have much more to consider and alot to lose.
As I said every country is after their own national interests. Why will they jeopardise their interests and country's stability/finances to fight a destructive war with Israel over a foriegn country(Palestinians)? So this won't happen..back in the day the Arabs did so because they believed they could easily triumph over Israel which was a newly formed state and not stable as of yet and Arab countries were riding the new wave of pan Arab nationalism with populist revolutionary governments like Abdel Nasser or Anwal Saddat of Egypt and Amin Hafez of Syria etc So they took the gamble . Today that's all change and they are much more rational and aware of Israels military power to strike back as well..so nobody will take that chance. Thinking otherwise is wishful thinking. So Palestinians only credible way is to negotiate with Israel for some form of recognition and mutual concessions. Else Israel is the stronger side and there's nothing we can do about it.. so they should negotiate and of course some concessions will be made. But so is life.
 
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BREAKING: Biden on the Gaza Hospital Bombing - I am not saying that Hamas was the one that deliberately bombed the hospital - The Pentagon says it is unlikely that Israel was behind the attack on the hospital
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"first post is parroting the really independent findings by the really independent Pentagon about their closest ally totally not committing any war crimes"

Ah yes lets not forget the classic of putting one of these "neutral/independent/observer" words in your name
 
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