Unless Hamas did it on purpose, it doesn’t matter. There have been stray missile strikes in Ukraine, but it didn’t suddenly turn the population into Putin fans.
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Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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Unless Hamas did it on purpose, it doesn’t matter. There have been stray missile strikes in Ukraine, but it didn’t suddenly turn the population into Putin fans.
I think the way Israeli govt sources pushed several videos and tweets then redacted them over the hours until they could find something somewhat sticky enough just for Joe Biden tells us everything we need to know. (remember, the guy claimed to have seen the beheaded babies and cant talk 3 sentences without mumbling without reading his notes, he is also surrounded by actual zionist neo cons and war mongers like Blinken). Another important point to note is that parking area was p a c k e d. This isnt your typical parking area where you have just a few empty cars parked. People are packing in wherever they 'hope' its safe. 100-150 ppl are staying in places where normally 5-10 ppl would stay. (according to Palestinian UK ambassador).
It also follows Israeli SOP, deny deny, spread false info, and then admit it when no one is looking. Evidence provided by Israel is not fool proof and there have been several logical refutations. At the same time, we will never have a 'smoking gun' either. But given the history, trajectory of events, statements (and redacted statements post-strike) & threats from Israeli officials, the probability of Israel doing it is far more than a random heavy rogue rocket falling precisely over a hospital. Palestinians have shot how many? 30,000 + rockets on Israel over the years, causing 30-40 casualties?.
Apart from that, I mean it's Netanyahu...nobody actually believes a word he says, not even his own people. Backed by Biden, throughout his political career, he has been a staunch pro-war hawk and huge supporter of apartheid and occupation. AIPAC wont let you have a beautiful political career otherwise. Biden would've said Martians did it if Netanyahu said Martians had done it.
US's own bombing of civilians investigations would take weeks and months, but Biden had it all figured out it hours once the Israeli PR ops team sorted out a decent enough narrative after several false starts over the night.
Israel did it.
Also, nothing can deflect from the fact that Israel has killed over 1,000 children in Gaza in just a few days and dropped more bombs on Gaza in a week than the US did in Afghanistan in one year.
It also follows Israeli SOP, deny deny, spread false info, and then admit it when no one is looking. Evidence provided by Israel is not fool proof and there have been several logical refutations. At the same time, we will never have a 'smoking gun' either. But given the history, trajectory of events, statements (and redacted statements post-strike) & threats from Israeli officials, the probability of Israel doing it is far more than a random heavy rogue rocket falling precisely over a hospital. Palestinians have shot how many? 30,000 + rockets on Israel over the years, causing 30-40 casualties?.
Apart from that, I mean it's Netanyahu...nobody actually believes a word he says, not even his own people. Backed by Biden, throughout his political career, he has been a staunch pro-war hawk and huge supporter of apartheid and occupation. AIPAC wont let you have a beautiful political career otherwise. Biden would've said Martians did it if Netanyahu said Martians had done it.
US's own bombing of civilians investigations would take weeks and months, but Biden had it all figured out it hours once the Israeli PR ops team sorted out a decent enough narrative after several false starts over the night.
Israel did it.
Also, nothing can deflect from the fact that Israel has killed over 1,000 children in Gaza in just a few days and dropped more bombs on Gaza in a week than the US did in Afghanistan in one year.
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Uh huh sure. When America and or her allies MISTAKENLY OBLITERATES FAMILIES thought to be the Taliban/Terrorists/ISIS/Serbian military/ all are excused huh, despite their supposed super duper technological superiority and Supreme tactical wizardry. But now that those dastardly Terrorist HAMAS may have inadvertently bomb the hapless civilian victims all of a sudden, oh the horror? Give me a snicker break. You and your ideological b.s. knows no bounds; your ilk tends to bend the rules whenever it suits the narrative your mind and your malleable values are comfortable enough to accept. What a farce.
Unfortunately, history isn't too kind for your rhetoric either since the extremist on the Israeli side tend to kill their own to advance their aims and objectives to fulfill their delusions.
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Another interesting video of this guy
Biden’s challenge in winning Arab acquiescence to the Israeli offensive deepened Tuesday after a deadly blast at a hospital in Gaza. The US president sided with Israel, which blamed a failed missile launch by a Palestinian militant group. But Arab leaders believed Hamas-controlled Gaza authorities who had already pointed the finger at Israel. They canceled a meeting with Biden in Jordan planned for Wednesday.
Biden did manage to speak by phone with Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi on his way back to the US about allowing aid access. The Egyptian president, who was among the leaders to pull out of the Jordan meeting, “was not at all reluctant,” Biden told reporters. Biden also said he pushed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the issue.
“His visit today was seen as full-throated support of the Israeli government without caveats,” said Sarah Parkinson, political science and international studies professor at Johns Hopkins University. “That is rapidly eroding relationships in the region.”
It wasn’t just Biden’s decision to accept Israel’s explanation for the deadly blast, but also how he did so that’s likely to grate in the region. By saying the “other team” was responsible for the incident, the US president aligned himself even more squarely with Israel.
“To a lot of people in the region that doesn’t seem like it’s fact-based, it seems like it’s a political decision,” Parkinson said. “It’s putting a lot of US allies into an incredibly difficult position.”
Biden said he decided to take Israel’s side after seeing data from the Pentagon. The information, which came from satellite imagery of the hospital and electronic intercepts of Hamas conversations, was shared with Biden during the flight to Israel, according to people familiar with the matter. The White House later announced its intelligence analysis confirmed Israel’s claim that it was not responsible for the blast.
“At a time when Israelis are traumatized seeking leadership and hope, Biden gave it to them,” Aaron David Miller, a former State Department Middle East negotiator, wrote on social media.
Biden did manage to speak by phone with Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi on his way back to the US about allowing aid access. The Egyptian president, who was among the leaders to pull out of the Jordan meeting, “was not at all reluctant,” Biden told reporters. Biden also said he pushed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the issue.
“His visit today was seen as full-throated support of the Israeli government without caveats,” said Sarah Parkinson, political science and international studies professor at Johns Hopkins University. “That is rapidly eroding relationships in the region.”
It wasn’t just Biden’s decision to accept Israel’s explanation for the deadly blast, but also how he did so that’s likely to grate in the region. By saying the “other team” was responsible for the incident, the US president aligned himself even more squarely with Israel.
“To a lot of people in the region that doesn’t seem like it’s fact-based, it seems like it’s a political decision,” Parkinson said. “It’s putting a lot of US allies into an incredibly difficult position.”
Biden said he decided to take Israel’s side after seeing data from the Pentagon. The information, which came from satellite imagery of the hospital and electronic intercepts of Hamas conversations, was shared with Biden during the flight to Israel, according to people familiar with the matter. The White House later announced its intelligence analysis confirmed Israel’s claim that it was not responsible for the blast.
“At a time when Israelis are traumatized seeking leadership and hope, Biden gave it to them,” Aaron David Miller, a former State Department Middle East negotiator, wrote on social media.
State Dept. official resigns, citing objection to Israel arms transfers
Josh Paul’s exit marks a rare public show of internal dissent from the Biden administration’s robust support for its closest ally in the Middle East
Bad news, looks like a bigger war may be happening.
Well the Israelis had an escape strategy that the Palestinian don't have which is to migrate to the US and the Collective West. They hold dual passport. If I may I want to dwell the reason for the existence of the 5 eyes + ONE (Israel), aside coming from the same Anglo Saxon heritage each country is a frontier staging ground for US hegemony. So in case of trouble or being overwhelm they had that option to leave for saver ground.
That's also the objective of the Palestinian, once the settlers leave they will never come back. And added bonus that the instability will prevent new and future migrant from the Collective West coming in to Israel. That's what worried Netanyahu, his pet project of a greater Israel lies on the willingness of those settlers to stay put.
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That was “yesterdays” concern. Today is his political career or what remains of it. Netanyahu political survival is now dependent on the conflict continuing, which for obvious reason is not good for anyone.
kwaigonegin
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To be perfectly objective here that photo doesn't look like a JDAM strike.
Not saying this strike was or wasn't IDF but that photo is not a thousand pounder and most certainly not a 2k. Maybe a 500 pounder but even that is highly unlikely because you should see a blast radius at POI with impact crater etc. And the vehicles while damaged all looked damn 'good' next to a bomb strike!!
A 500 lbs bomb would utterly destroy the cars within 100 ft.
A Mk84 based JDAM would destroy everything in that photo.
Also based on that photo, a kill of 500 is unlikely unless all 500 of them were crowded in the parking lot.
Just my 2c.