Israel attacks Gaza Strip

Finn McCool

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The Associated Press asked Ehud Olmert if any "big fish" had been captured, and he replied that they were "tasty fishes." Whatever.

The IDF's offensive is shaping up to be very similar to what I thought it would be. They used armoured units to punch through all the way to the Litani River while other units advance more slowly and attack important villages, supported by helicopter borne vertical envelopment. The whole point of this strategy is to try to restrict Hezbollah's mobility so they can't get reinforcements from the rest of Lebanon and they can't retreat for long.
 

FreeAsia2000

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Finn McCool said:
The Associated Press asked Ehud Olmert if any "big fish" had been captured, and he replied that they were "tasty fishes." Whatever.

The IDF's offensive is shaping up to be very similar to what I thought it would be. They used armoured units to punch through all the way to the Litani River while other units advance more slowly and attack important villages, supported by helicopter borne vertical envelopment. The whole point of this strategy is to try to restrict Hezbollah's mobility so they can't get reinforcements from the rest of Lebanon and they can't retreat for long.

:rofl:

yes maybe it was a freudian slip...fishes and water. oy oy oy :D

It looks as if Israel had a strategic objective but the tactical situation
on the ground is forcing them to act on the hoof.

I find it puzzling that they believed they could wage a 'limited war'
against a guerilla army

Does anybody have any further info on the interesting tidbit below ?

He writes, “Meanwhile, Moscow has responded to the US-Israeli-Turkish design to militarise the East Mediterranean coastline with plans to establish a Russian naval base in the Syrian port of Tartus … Moscow intends to deploy an air defence system … the S-300PMU-2 Favorit system [which] will be manned and serviced by Russian peronnel … Tartus is strategically located 30 km from the Lebanese border.” Russia has also agreed to modernise Syrian ground and air defences, modernise its MIG-29 fighters and its submarines – “these developments have far-reaching implications.”

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FreeAsia2000 said:
Now Israel had claimed that they had launched this attack on the hospital to capture the military commander of Hezbollah. Clearly they haven't therefore their intelligence was wrong.

They reportedly found a weapons cache and captured someone. Who that person is we don't know. And you don't know who that person is either.
 

crazyinsane105

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Hezbullah has fired nearly 190 rockets into Israel today, the biggest so far. Seems like Hezbullah isn't as weakned as we previoulsy thought. Plus the helicopter raid was probably more of a morale booster than anything else. What important person are they (Hezbullah) gonna have at a hospital? :rofl:

As for Hezbullah, it can't stand against the full onslaught of a massive armored force. Many of them will fight, but reinforcements are gonna come from Syria and fight when the Israelis have "total control" of the area they "captured."
 
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crazyinsane105 said:
Plus the helicopter raid was probably more of a morale booster than anything else. What important person are they (Hezbullah) gonna have at a hospital?

Well apart from an injured one, it might have been a base of operations after the staff fled due to the conflict. Until we know who was captured, speculation is rather pointless.

As for Hezbullah, it can't stand against the full onslaught of a massive armored force. Many of them will fight, but reinforcements are gonna come from Syria and fight when the Israelis have "total control" of the area they "captured."

What kinds of "reinforcements" are you talking about? Maybe some volunteers, but the Syrians aren't going to throw their own tanks into the fight.
 

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FuManChu said:
What kinds of "reinforcements" are you talking about? Maybe some volunteers, but the Syrians aren't going to throw their own tanks into the fight.

I mean by more Hezbullah fighters coming in from Iran through the tunnels that connect the Syrian-Lebanese border. The Syrians have already prepared their military incase the war spills over, but if it doesn't Syria isn't gonna get involved. Having said that, Syria is still gonna resupply Hezbullah.
 

Roger604

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FuManChu said:
Well apart from an injured one, it might have been a base of operations after the staff fled due to the conflict. Until we know who was captured, speculation is rather pointless.

I agree with you. Perhaps this will shed some light on the matter.

Lebanese sources said Israeli helicopters dropped paratroopers near Dar al-Himkeh hospital west of Baalbek, who raided the facility in search either of two abducted soldiers or a senior Hezbollah official, Sheikh Mohammed Yazbek.

Fierce battles erupted between Hezbollah militants and Israeli troops, who received cover from Israeli jets and helicopter gunships.

'The Israelis are inside the hospital and trying to snatch some of the wounded amid heavy shelling,' an witness said.

'Eleven were killed, including a Syrian national, and 20 others were wounded,' police officials told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa, adding some of the wounded were in serious condition.

Police insisted that a total of five 'Lebanese civilians and not Hezbollah were kidnapped by the Israeli commando force.'

An Israeli Army spokeswoman was equally adamant that several Hezbollah fighters were captured, but would not give a number or further details.

She said several militants from the radical Shiite guerilla movement were also killed. She also denied reports that the commandos were trapped inside the city and said they had returned to Israel safely.

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isthvan

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Deep Strike- IDF Air Assault Commando Raid on Baalbek

Israel Reaches Into Heart of Hizballistan Capital While 10,000 Troops Cross Into Southern Lebanon

By Steve Schippert

In the past 48 hours, messages from Israel have been delivered to both Damascus and Tehran through the public release of intelligence claims. On Tuesday, however, the message had Hizballah addresses, namely being intended for Hassan Nasrallah and Imad Mugniyeh. While the messages to Iran and Syria were clearly for them to stay home, the message to Hizballah was “We can go where we want and strike where we want.”

For on Tuesday, there was no other way to interpret the IDF air assault on Baalbek, referred to as the ‘capital’ of Hizballah, situated near the Syrian border in the northern reaches of the Bekaa Valley. From the outset, it appeared to be an operation that was planned around specific actionable intelligence as a hospital in northern Baalbek appeared to be the primary target, with IDF Special Forces commandos checking the ID’s of all in the hospital according to early reports. The primary target appears to have been Mohammed Yazbek, who heads Hizballah’s Shura Council (or ‘consultation council’).

While Yazbek was not there, who Israel believed was being treated in the target hospital, three lower level Hizballah operatives were reportedly among the captured in the operation: Hussein Nasrallah, Hussein al-Burji and Ahmed al-Ghotah. Early reports were dominated by information from Hizballah - as the IDF remained very tight-lipped during the ongoing operation – and included claims from fierce fighting and Israeli troops trapped inside the hospital to many helicopters but no troops on the ground. Hizballah also claimed that the hospital had been evacuated days before the raid.

The picture that is coming into focus after the operation appears to show that the hospital was at least not entirely evacuated and that whatever fierce fighting occurred resulted in no IDF casualties, according to the Israeli military. The significance of the operation is clear, both in tactical terms and the psychological impact on Hizballah. The IDF inserted force where they wanted, operated as they wanted and performed a successful massive air assault deep in the heart of Hizballistan.

For Hizballah, increasingly cut off from Syrian and Iranian re-supply and largely left to stores on hand, they must now actively consider defenses beyond their southern front. That none of the IDF helicopters at low altitude over the heart of Hizballistan were shot down should not go unnoticed.

While Hizballah was surprised in the north, the northern operation was followed today with Israel sending 10,000 troops across the border on Hizballah’s southern front on a day in which the terrorist organization has launched over 160 rockets into Israeli cities so far in the day. At least one of them reached near Jenin in the West Bank, the deepest strike thus far by Hizballah. The rocket activity into Israel from Tyre in the west to various points on the eastern stretch of the border has been higher today than at any point in the conflict thus far.

For Hizballah, there is no rest as operations begin to accelerate in Hizballah-controlled southern Lebanon in what looks to be the beginning stages of the broad IDF clearing operations in their push northward to the Litani River.

While the talk is of inserting a multi-national force - headed by France under a UN flag - Israel’s Defense Minister Amir Peretz makes a clear distinction between a ‘Peacekeeper Force’ and a ‘Peacemaker Force.’ Israel’s forces are ensuring that the multinational forces will serve as more than an expanded UNIFIL, doubting that any UN-flagged troops will actually engage Hizballah militarily. Said Peretz, “We are preparing the conditions for the multinational force, so whenever it is deployed, it would be able to enforce the new situation.”

As Peretz no doubt understands, there must first be a peace to keep.

Some more info about IDF SF raid on Baalbek...
 

crazyinsane105

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The helicopters were flown in before sunrise. Hezbullah by no doubt has manpads, but they were still taken by surprise. However, had this same raid been conducted during the middle of the day, I doubt those helicopters would have come back unscathed.
 
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