Israel attacks Gaza Strip

crazyinsane105

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Breaking news: in a town 60 miles away from the border, an Israeli helicopter dropped off 60 Israeli commandoes in an ancient town. Right now, according to Hezbullah, those commandos are trapped inside a hospital and Hezbullah is closing in. No comment about this from the Israelis...

What the hell are the Israelis thinking? Dropping commandos in a middle of a hornet's nest away from heavy armor and artillery? WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?!
 

Finn McCool

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I heard abou this. They must have had a good reason. There might have been a very important Hezbollah commander around. They obviously didn't want to bomb a hospital. Anyway, I think those commandos are done for. The news people said that the Israelis were bombing the area like crazy to try to hold the Hezbollah fighters back. Then they moved on to some talking head that will say the same thing that has been said all day long about hopeless ceasefire discussions. Baalbek, where the commandos where the commandos were dropped, is a large and modern city with famous Roman ruins. It is a major Hezbollah stronghold. Despite the airstrikes Hezbollah can overrun them. The only way to rescue them is by helicopter again. Now Hezbollah is all alert, with MANPADS and RPGs at the ready. It could turn into a Mogadishu very quickly. I certainly hope the Israelis can rescue them, but I see no good options.
 

crazyinsane105

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Man, those commandos are done for...doesn't matter how many airstrikes you conduct. Hezbullah does have equipment like artillery and AAA guns. It's one building to overun and it can be done unless the Israelis somehow manage to get dozens of heavily armored tanks in the area (won't happen though for more than obvious reasons). Israeli intel about Lebanon is horrible and I have a good hunch that Hezbullah set up a trap for the commandos.
 

Finn McCool

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Wait wait wait.

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israel poured up to 10,000 armored troops into south Lebanon Tuesday, and separately sent commandos deep into the eastern Bekaa Valley where they raided a Hezbollah-run hospital and captured guerrillas during pitched battles, a major escalation of the three-week-old war.

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The Israeli military confirmed the attack on the ancient city of Baalbek, about 80 miles north of Israel. It said troops, ferried in by helicopter, captured an unspecified number guerrillas and all soldiers returned unharmed. The statement gave no other details.

The Baalbek raid was the deepest ground attack on Lebanon since fighting began 21 days ago.

The ferocity of the battles in the Bekaa Valley and across southern Lebanon and the determination of the Israelis to keep fighting quelled expectations for an early cease-fire, although U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said an agreement on how to end the conflict was possible within days, not weeks.

Hezbollah's rocket attacks into Israel, meanwhile, diminished. Hezbollah fired just 10 rockets across the border Tuesday, well below an average of about 100 a day since fighting began.

Early Wednesday, Hezbollah's chief spokesman Hussein Rahal told The Associated Press Israeli troops landed near the Hezbollah-run Dar al-Hikma Hospital in Baalbek, about 10 miles from Lebanon's border with Syria.

"A group of Israeli commandos was brought to the hospital by a helicopter. They entered the hospital and are trapped inside as our fighters opened fire on them, and fierce fighting is still raging," Rahal said early in the operation.

Rahal dismissed as "untrue" reports that the Israeli commandos managed to snatch some patients from the hospital and spirit them away in helicopters.

Fighting between Israeli commandos and Hezbollah guerrillas around the hospital raged for more than four hours and planes dropped flares over the city during the clashes, witnesses said.

They said at least five people were killed as Israeli warplanes staged more than 10 bombing runs around the hospital as well as on hills in east and north Baalbek where Hezbollah's Shiite supporters live.

Witnesses said the hospital was hit in an Israeli airstrike and was burning.

The fighting ended at about 4 a.m.

Residents said the Dar al-Hikma hospital is financed by an Iranian charity, the Imam Khomeini Charitable Society, which is close to Hezbollah. The hospital is also run by people close to the Shiite militant group, the residents said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

Baalbek, about 10 miles from the Syrian border, is a city with spectacular Roman ruins as well as the barracks of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards when they trained Hezbollah guerrillas there in the 1980s.

The last time Israel forces were known to have gone that far on the ground into Lebanon was in 1994, when they abducted Lebanese guerrilla leader Mustafa Dirani, hoping to use him to get information about missing Israeli airman Ron Arad. Dirani was released in a prisoner exchange 10 years later.

Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers in a July 12 cross-border raid triggered the Israeli offensive.

In southern Lebanon on Tuesday, up to 10,000 troops in armored personnel carriers and backed by tanks were operating in Lebanon along the border zone, Israeli defense officials said. Israel called up 30,000 reservists over the weekend and thousands of them were gathering at staging areas on the Israeli side of the border, ready to join the battles.

Israel had 100,000 troops in Lebanon at the height of its 1982 invasion of Lebanon that began an 18-year occupation of the south.

Troops battled guerrillas after Israel ordered its army to punch all the way to the Litani River, about 18 miles from the border.

They entered through four different points along the border and moved at least four miles inside Lebanon. Israeli officials said their soldiers were to go as far as the Litani, and hold the ground until an international peacekeeping force comes ashore.

But the army later said it had distributed leaflets northeast of the river at villages where Hezbollah was active. The leaflets told people to leave, suggesting that the new offensive could take Israeli soldiers even deeper into Lebanon.

Despite mounting civilian deaths, President Bush held fast to support for Israel and was pressing for a U.N. resolution linking a cease-fire with a broader plan for peace in the Middle East. Staking out a different approach, European Union foreign ministers called for an "immediate cessation of hostilities" followed by efforts to agree on a sustainable cease-fire.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said he expects some action in the Security Council in the coming days, hopefully this week.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said it was not in Israel's interest to agree to an immediate cease-fire because every day of fighting weakens the guerrillas.

"Every additional day is a day that drains the strength of this cruel enemy," he said. "Every extra day is a day in which the (army) reduces their capability, contains their firing ability and their ability to hit in the future."

The Israelis want to keep Hezbollah off the border so their patrols and civilians along the fence are not in danger of attack. The army also hopes to push Hezbollah far enough north so that most of the guerrillas' rockets cannot reach the Jewish state.

Israel resumed sporadic airstrikes — hitting Hezbollah strongholds and supply lines from one end of Lebanon to the other — despite a pledge to suspend such attacks for another day in response to world outrage over the killing of 56 Lebanese in a weekend bombing.

Aid groups had hoped to take advantage of the supposed 48-hour lull in airstrikes to get food and medicine to civilians trapped in the south. But Israel denied access to two U.N. convoys. Others who made the journey described airstrikes close to their convoys, and bodies along the road.

At nightfall Tuesday, Israeli troops were fighting Hezbollah at several points along the border in intense ground battles. Reporters and Arab television reported especially heavy fighting and Israeli artillery bombardment at the village of Aita al-Shaab.

The Israeli army said late Tuesday that three Israeli soldiers died and 25 were slightly wounded by small arms fire and anti-tank rockets in Aita al-Shaab.

Israeli Cabinet Minister Haim Ramon said the fighting to date had killed about 300 of Hezbollah's main force of 2,000 fighters, which does not include its less-well trained reserves. "That's a very hard blow," he said.

Hezbollah has said only 46 of its fighters were killed. Four were lost in battles with Israeli ground troops in Adaisse and Taibeh, near the Christian town of Marjayoun, about five miles from the border with Israel, Hezbollah said.

To the east at Kfar Kila, reporters saw at least three airstrikes, and the thud of artillery shells from Israeli ground troops was constant. About 20 shells landed in the hills around Kfar Kila during a 45-minute period.

Israeli jet fighters also struck deep inside Lebanese territory, hitting Hermel, 75 miles north of the Israeli border in the Bekaa Valley.

In the west, Israeli warships fired artillery into the villages of Mansouri, Shamaa and Teir Harfan around the port city of Tyre. No casualties were reported.

Another strike at an area near the Syrian border, about six miles north of Hermel, targeted the Qaa-Homs road, one of four official crossing points between Lebanon and Syria. Two of the four border crossings are now closed because of damage, and repeated airstrikes have made the main Beirut-Damascus highway impassable.

Polls in Israel show wall-to-wall support for Israel's fight against Hezbollah, even with Israeli civilians enduring a barrage of rocket fire and the army poised for a sweeping ground offensive that is sure to lead to more casualties.

But the deaths of 56 Lebanese in the devastating weekend strike in Qana focused attention on civilian casualties.

Three more civilians were killed and three seriously wounded when Israeli warplanes hit a house in the southern Lebanese town of Lweizeh, Lebanese security officials said Tuesday.

Also, the Lebanese Red Cross said the bodies of 12 civilians were retrieved from the rubble of buildings destroyed in airstrikes on four villages in southern Lebanon and many more were believed still buried. It was not clear when the victims were killed.

At least 532 Lebanese have been killed, including 461 civilians and 25 Lebanese soldiers and at least 46 Hezbollah guerrillas. The health minister says the toll could be as high as 750, including those still buried in rubble or missing. Fifty-four Israelis have died — 36 soldiers as well as 18 civilians killed in Hezbollah rocket attacks

Basically it says they captured some guerillas and escaped in the choppers after hours of fighting. Our worries were premature, but justified considering the reports we had. So it must have been a suprise and a quick strike too. A Hezbollah official is claiming that the Israelis are still pinned down in the hospital in Baalbek, but I don't think that Israel would make such a blatant lie. It's obvious that Hezbollah wasn't expecting this. If the Israelis managed to capture some people and still escape unscathed Hezbollah must have been caught unaware. I wonder if the Israelis specifically wanted to capture these people or if they simply did not (rightly so) want to bomb a hospital. However there was quite a firefight. It seems to me that the Israeli air strikes were very effective. I can think of no other way that they were able to land helicopters, fill them with commandos and captured Hezbollah and then escape hours after Hezbollah had been alerted.

Well, the Israelis have again proven that they are masters of the commando raid, as if they even managed to escape without casualties as the report says they did (without capturing any Hezbollah personnal) than this is still quite a daring and difficult operation. If they did get whatever they were after, then it is doubly well executed. But I still say that the Israelis best commando raid is the attack on Entebbe Airport.
 
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DennisDaMenace

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Yes that is what I heard on the news also. The IDF was dropped off by Helo to extract a high value target from the hospital. Now it looks like they are trapped like rats in a cage. There has been some talk in the news that the IDF has been getting some bad intelligance from their spies in the field. Looks like there are some double agents giving the IDF bad information.
Condalice Rice, (Secretary of state US)was on Fox News and said the fighting would be over in a matter of days. I wounder if she knew about the IDF forces trapped in the hospital. Or, maybe they are not?
 

maglomanic

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Actually we are getting two entirely opposite views from both the sides. IDF seems to be saying that operation is over they went in checked ids at hospital took people and nothing came their way. But there was a lot of fighthing that lasted until 4:00 am. Hezbollah seems to be syaing the IDF is holed up in hospital, but fighting stopped so it can't be true.

In my opnion Commandoes probably came in and were able to leave. If they took anyone with them, if there were casualties ? these questions will remain unasnwered for some time.
 

Finn McCool

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The Israelis said that they escaped with captives and without casualties. It seems to me that they would not be able to cover up a lie as big as the entire force being eliminated. And if a soldier died, I don't think they would be able to cover that up either. However I think that it is quite possible that the Israelis did not get their man and are lying about it to justify the risk. Hezbollah is probably lying because, as I said, they would have to have been taken by suprise to let this work. If anyone could pull this off it would be the Israelis, as they have massive amounts of experience in just this sort of thing.
 

coolieno99

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This is a commando raid in a HOSPITAL? Usually hospitals and medical clinics are not well protected for obvious reasons. I doubt doctors and nurses would put up any resistance.:coffee:
 

maglomanic

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Ok now Hezbollah is accepting IDF was able to frisk away people form Hospital. They are claiming none of them was geurilla. So it's obvious that IDF took Hezbollah by surprise for the first time in this entire conflict. It sounds like a successful op as far as casualties are concerned. Not sure if they got some one important or not.

As for Hezbollah it can be a turning point. They have been quite unsuccessful in past few days. The strike against another IDF navy ship turned out false and now this operation deep inside lebanon. The second round has started and IDF has started on a positive note. Lets see who comes out on top this time.
 

FreeAsia2000

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This is probably an attempt to disorientate Hezbollah and force them to
increase the pace of their operations undoubtably because Israel feels
that the tide of world opinion is becoming increasingly hostile against
Israel. Possibly some terrorist atrocity will be blamed on hezbollah in order
to revive the 'war on terror'

Now Israel had claimed that they had launched this attack on the hospital
to capture the military commander of Hezbollah. Clearly they haven't
therefore their intelligence was wrong.
 
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