Israel attacks Gaza Strip

Gollevainen said:

Not even near I'm afraid. Did the huge bobming campaing dismatle Vietcong back in the 60's? HAve there ever been a case when insurgency is defeated with force? No. Israel might get some sort of temporarely victory in tactical means but it cannot do much about the hizbollah. This cambaing will only strenghten it in longer perspective, there is enough of relatives and closest of those civils already killed.

I don't believe that any sort of massive uprising in arab world would happen, but certainly there will be major boost for the support of islamic extremist. THere will be new terrorist attacks against Israel, Usa and it's allies. More blood, more pain and the circle will go on and on and on...

Perhaps I'm getting older in someways but this whole situation just makes me sad Anger is still buried inside but sadness is in the top. So sorry to drift this topic of the tracks but I really whis we wouldn't have to discuss over this matter...

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A girlfriend in Lebanon is telling me what's going on.

She was pretty terrified when the bombing started but now she's getting
angry. The mood there is hardening and i'm afraid those two soldiers may suffer for it *sigh*

In any case I think this is going to be the pretext for attacking Iran. Something Israel was not able to drag the US into ....another victory for the Likud party lobbyists in America

Well If someone would bomb Finland for similar reasons as Israel is now doing in Lebanon, there wouldn't be any hesitation from my side...I'd be out there fighting!

I am sure if you threaten that dentist/dictator in Syria with the loss of his air conditioner.....meaning you tell him we (Israel) are going to start blowing up their power plants, roadways, airports and infrastructure I think you will see Syria start changing its tune and put some pressure on Hizbullah to stop. If that does not work well its back to my total war theory that did work during WW2 and in other conflicts were political correctness was not used. IF YOU KILL ENOUGH OF THEM THEY WILL STOP FIGHTING. IF YOU KILL THEM ALL THEN YOU NEED NOT WORRY ANY MORE....CHEERS UTE.

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I agree with those ones saying that if Isreal wants to attack on Syria they would allready have done it. Also Syria wont do anything else than giving harsh words, they don't want to provokate Israel to attack on their soil.

But one of the things dissapointing me is the EUs reaction. They wont do nothing...It's truly sad, becouse they can, but lack the will of doing so. Our foreing minister whispered the possipility of EUs embargo towards Israel but I doupt nothing comes from it. The situation remains me too much of the pre-WWII era when eauropean superpowers just wached from the side of Germans annexing it's neighbours...

There is only one solution to this whole mid-east thing and that's International city status for Jerusalem.

Golly the EU is effectively dead as an institution, it died when the ECJ instead of using the European Convention on Human Rights to broaden the rights of citizens interpreted it in an overly restrictive manner and also more importantly when a non-EU citizens were allowed to create a monopoly of the european media.

Anyway here's an interesting prediction made a while ago

"War with Iran will probably not begin with a frontal assault by the U.S. and/or Israel on Iran's alleged nuclear weapons facilities, or even a skirmish along the Iraq-Iran border. Look to Lebanon and Syria for the first battlegrounds of this developing regional war. The Israelis know perfectly well that Iran's nuclear ambitions, if they ever materialize, are not an immediate threat: their real concern is their volatile northern border, where their deadly enemies – Hezbollah – are an effective obstacle to Israeli influence. The Israelis are also looking to exploit growing opportunities to make trouble in Syria, where the restive Kurds are their reliable allies, and the brittleness of the Ba'athist dictatorship is an invitation to regime change."

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Golly the EU is effectively dead as an institution, it died when the ECJ instead of using the European Convention on Human Rights to broaden the rights of citizens interpreted it in an overly restrictive manner and also more importantly when a non-EU citizens were allowed to create a monopoly of the european media.

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The EU have never been an institution to hold any power whatsoever. And it's deathroll begun from the French and Netherlands voting no to the constitution...

Gollevainen said:

The EU have never been an institution to hold any power whatsoever. And it's deathroll begun from the French and Netherlands voting no to the constitution...

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I remember years ago when our lecturer's would tell us how we were trying to create a European community of nations, where we would be free to travel and work. The way they painted it we would be working in the city and then commuting to a Parisian cafe for philosophy discussions followed perhaps by
meeting some mademoiselle...

Of course in the UK we have too many rich people who didn't want to see a strong EU because they owed their real allegience as well as their nationality to non EU states...unfortunately they also owned most of the media here and really laid into the whole idea of an EU. Nationalism beats common sense every time.

The actions of Israel are unjust. But unfortunately they are being supported by the overnment of US and most EU member states. Only Switzerland made statements against Israel's actions on Palestine. The Swiss are indeed role-models for neutrality and objectivity.

I remember years ago when our lecturer's would tell us how we were trying to create a European community of nations, where we would be free to travel and work. The way they painted it we would be working in the city and then commuting to a Parisian cafe for philosophy discussions followed perhaps by
meeting some mademoiselle...

Of course in the UK we have too many rich people who didn't want to see a strong EU because they owed their real allegience as well as their nationality to non EU states...unfortunately they also owned most of the media here and really laid into the whole idea of an EU. Nationalism beats common sense every time

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Well to us they told that when we join EU we wont loose any of our indepence like our own money and final word in decicion making...and we all know what happend...

But critizaizing EU isen't exactly the topic in hand ff and as I started it, I will finish it too.

Well let’s try to be realistic. If, for example, Canada (North Korea, Germany) wouldn’t control part of there territory and there are constant attacks from Canadian territory at US (China, France) what they should do? Sit quietly and do nothing or attack both terrorists (and IIRC Hezbollah is terrorist organization) and government that allows that attacks? Lebanese government is too afraid of new civil war to do anything about Hezbollah… And until they don’t do something Israel has legitimate right to respond to these attacks…

As for EU I don’t see why member nations should lose there sovereign right to protect there one national interest… EU isn’t sovereign state but community of nations that cooperate in foreign and defense policy, in judicial and internal affairs, and in the economic and monetary affairs. EU would newer be US type of state and I see current arrangement as quite satisfactory… And why would they impose sanctions to Israel? This time they didn’t start this shit…

If you look at timing Hamas started this when Mahmoud Abbas set July 26th as the date for a referendum on whether it should be government policy to recognize Israel and negotiate. Now if this isn’t good timing I don’t know what is… And Hezbollah joined joust when UN Security Council supposed to discuss about Iran after failed negotiations?

As long as Hamas and Hezbollah insist that Israel must be destroyed there can’t be peace and sorry but this time Israel is joust responding…

well isthvan i know that if any country kidnapped 9,000 britons as well
as 300 kids ...i'd want them back and i wouldn't back down just because
the other country had one of the most powerful military's in the world

but really we're getting into political territory.

Israel attacks Syria

How will Iran assist ?

FreeAsia2000 said:

well isthvan i know that if any country kidnapped 9,000 britons as well
as 300 kids ...i'd want them back and i wouldn't back down just because
the other country had one of the most powerful military's in the world

but really we're getting into political territory.

Israel attacks Syria

How will Iran assist ?

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Well mate you are right, we shouldn’t go in to politics to much…

So how could Iran assist? I don’t see any way short to firing SCUD derivates at Israel IMHO even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn’t that stupid…

Besides like I said earlier I don’t think that this situation will escalate out of control; Israel and Syria doesn’t won’t to go in full scale war…