Israel attacks Gaza Strip

Gollevainen · Jul 14, 2006

Well let’s try to be realistic. If, for example, Canada (North Korea, Germany) wouldn’t control part of there territory and there are constant attacks from Canadian territory at US (China, France) what they should do? Sit quietly and do nothing or attack both terrorists (and IIRC Hezbollah is terrorist organization) and government that allows that attacks? Lebanese government is too afraid of new civil war to do anything about Hezbollah… And until they don’t do something Israel has legitimate right to respond to these attacks…

There is no legimate right to attack agaisnt sovreing nation in any situation and no legimate right to attack civilian infranstructure and kill innocent civils in any circumstance. Fighting against terrorism is a different thing, but At my obinions, artillery, airstrikes and naval blockade aren't justificated means for doing so.

As for EU I don’t see why member nations should lose there sovereign right to protect there one national interest… EU isn’t sovereign state but community of nations that cooperate in foreign and defense policy, in judicial and internal affairs, and in the economic and monetary affairs. EU would newer be US type of state and I see current arrangement as quite satisfactory… And why would they impose sanctions to Israel? This time they didn’t start this shit…

EUs commision and parliament have the advantage over national legistrature in dispute-situations.
Anyway, sanctions to Israel are required to show them, that International society wont tolerate that sort of cowboy-metality that they are currently waging. Isen't there any weight on the over 100 killed palestinian and lebanese civils?

If you look at timing Hamas started this when Mahmoud Abbas set July 26th as the date for a referendum on whether it should be government policy to recognize Israel and negotiate. Now if this isn’t good timing I don’t know what is… And Hezbollah joined joust when UN Security Council supposed to discuss about Iran after failed negotiations

Well I must remind that It wasen't Hamas that strated this. The whole thing flamed up when Israel retaliated to the kidnaping of one of their soldier by Al-aqsa's martyrs brigade, which isen't Hamas, but completely separate group. They have the same enemy as Hamas, but they are not the same organization and to my knowlidge there isen't any tight coalition.

But I feel that we are dangerously heading to very harsh waters so I advice everyone to think twice before posting. You may have different obinions, and strong obinions about this whole situation, but think carefully how to express them. We don't want to get to that road of endless depating and argumenting over this enternity-struggle between Israel and Palestine...so lets all calm down ok?

utelore · Jul 14, 2006

PLEASE PLEASE, I implore everybody to stick to the military aspect of this post. Moderators Please keep a eye on this issue and take action if necessary. We cannot fight back and forth about a issue that has been going on for 3000 years. However I think we can reasonably discusses the military aspect of this without attacking each other on the political side. I believe we can bring up history of the conflict that relates to the military side but again PLEASE lets keep it just to the military aspects. This is a major event on the world stage in the possible use of military hardware and tactics lets not screw it up by having the post shut down......cheers ute

isthvan · Jul 14, 2006

Well we might agree to disagree… Israel isn’t only guilty party here... Only way to this end is that Hamas and Hezbollah finally understand that Israel is there to stay and to stop attack on Israel and start negotiations… Until they understand this there can’t be peace… This is as far as I will go whit politics since this discussion can’t lead to constructive dialog…

utelore · Jul 14, 2006

So men, what do you guys think Hizbullah hit Haifa with? it was not a Katusha. Maybe a Grad? Is it possible they used a FROG type weapon? Haifa is well out of range for a normal Katusha. Also the media has reported that helo gunships attacked the beirut airport. If this is true it shows that Israel has little regard for any Lebanon Air defence.

There has also been some talk among military analysis that Israel may launch some sort of airborne operation in the beirut area. Look at the international airport they only put 1 bomb into each runway. I think Israel could still land a C-130 on those strips. Now you ask why would Israel do this...simply to show the world Israel military power has no bounds. I also think a operation against Syria is getting very close as Israel has been preparing for contingencies of what the Syrians might do....cheers ute.

isthvan · Jul 14, 2006

utelore said:
So men, what do you guys think Hizbullah hit Haifa with? it was not a Katusha. Maybe a Grad? Is it possible they used a FROG type weapon? Haifa is well out of range for a normal Katusha. Also the media has reported that helo gunships attacked the beirut airport.

No ballistic missiles like FROG type, MLRS only…

The Hezbollah most potent missiles are the Fajdr-3 and Fajdr-5:
-The Fajdr-3 has a range of 43 km, warhead 90 kg; caliber 240 mm. The mobile launcher carries 12 missiles in tubes.

-The Fajdr-5 has a range of 75km, warhead weight 175 kg; caliber 333mm. Mobile launcher carries 4 missiles.

utelore · Jul 14, 2006

I believe an attack on Syria is very very close. If you heard the Israeli ambassador to the U.S it sounds as if it is not IF but WHEN. I think the Israeli operation is being planned and will be fairly massive with the targeting of all airbases, Scud sites and Elite units such as republican guard and special forces. I think infrastructe will also be on the target packages. I think you may also see a strike against Iran with Israeli f-16I in the planning that may coincide with the attack on Syria.

If I were Israel I would also launch a fairly large ground operation into Syria with the intent of taking tanks into the suburbs of Damascus thus "making" the Syrians fight with the intent on killing large numbers of Syrian military personal. I would not try and remove Assad as he seems weak and can be bullied by a superior force if shown that force which punches him in the nose. I would also recommend blockading Syrian ports if not mining and destroying those ports. If Syria does not restrain its terrorist forces attacking Israel after such operations then a full mobilization of the 600,000 Israeli military resulting in the occupation of large areas of Syria.

If the Oil producing nations of the mid east start a oil embargo with the west then I think the U.S would have to look at taking control of said country's Oil assets through the use of overwhelming military power. I think when posed with a implacable enemy you must react with a extreme action of violence thus destroying your enemy and the supporters of your enemy. If you have a military to protect your country then USE IT.....cheers ute

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crazyinsane105 · Jul 14, 2006

Occupation of large amounts of territory in Syria? Oh God no...that would be an invitation to a massive gas attack from the Syrians not to mention a pure hell in Iraq given by the Iranians plus they may decide to cut off oil production for a month or so to make the price of international oil hit record heights...The Syrians made WMD's for a reason. What's the point of having them if you're not going to use them? Occupying more territory of any country is a just mean of using WMD's...and yes I do understand that Israel has nukes, but VX Gas hitting Tel Aviv and other places in Israel and maybe even US forces in Iraq is just as lethal. Not to mention the Syrians may also have something even nastier such as smallpox.

Roger604 · Jul 14, 2006

utelore said:
I believe an attack on Syria is very very close. If you heard the Israeli ambassador to the U.S it sounds as if it is not IF but WHEN. I think the Israeli operation is being planned and will be fairly massive with the targeting of all airbases, Scud sites and Elite units such as republican guard and special forces. I think infrastructe will also be on the target packages. I think you may also see a strike against Iran with Israeli f-16I in the planning that may coincide with the attack on Syria.

If I were Israel I would also launch a fairly large ground operation into Syria with the intent of taking tanks into the suburbs of Damascus thus "making" the Syrians fight with the intent on killing large numbers of Syrian military personal. I would not try and remove Assad as he seems weak and can be bullied by a superior force if shown that force which punches him in the nose. I would also recommend blockading Syrian ports if not mining and destroying those ports. If Syria does not restrain its terrorist forces attacking Israel after such operations then a full mobilization of the 600,000 Israeli military resulting in the occupation of large areas of Syria.

If the Oil producing nations of the mid east start a oil embargo with the west then I think the U.S would have to look at taking control of said country's Oil assets through the use of overwhelming military power. I think when posed with a implacable enemy you must react with a extreme action of violence thus destroying your enemy and the supporters of your enemy. If you have a military to protect your country then USE IT.....cheers ute
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Huh? I'm sure Israel and USA would love to do this but I doubt they have the capabilities or the guts. USA and Israel are not the only countries with WMD's.

Mine Syrian ports? The Russian Black Sea fleet is moving to Syria. Anybody challenging Syria will find itself facing the Russian fleet.

utelore · Jul 14, 2006

first I dont think Syria would use VX but if they did it would be the end of syria as a nation PLUS nerve gas on scuds are not that effective from a military standpoint. yes they would kill civs but would have little effect on the military . Next the comment about a russian fleet moving to Protect Syria OH NOOOO not the big bad russian "fleet"...:roll: too funny Israel would sink that fleet with its airforce in about 35 minutes THATS A FACT. But that is not going to happen because russia knows this and would not put its forces at risk. POPEYE could you please explain what would happen to a russian Fleet off the coast of Israel that threatened Israel?

the day of reckoning is at hand....lets just get it over with

isthvan · Jul 14, 2006

Am I only one here who think that this wont escalate? IDF attacks are nothing more then demonstration of force, they didn’t use 3% of there capabilities, Israeli artillery is shelling empty fields in Gaza strip and air campaign against Lebanon is joust limited example of what they can do…

They don’t want war or they would be in Beirut by now… And they certainly don’t want to attack Syria. Baath party government is opponent they know and whit them they can deal; destroying that regime and effectively give power to Islamic radicals is last thing they want to do…

Israel attacks Gaza Strip

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