ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Broccoli

Senior Member
Syrian government lied about their chemical weapon facilities. What else they "forget" to tell? Russians must have known about those facilities when they made a deal with Americans so Assad won't get bombed.

A special representative of the U.N. secretary-general has told the Security Council that Syria has declared four chemical weapons facilities it had not mentioned before.

Diplomats say Sigrid Kaag told them Tuesday that three of the facilities are for research and development and one is for production, and that no new chemical agents have been associated with the four sites.
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shen

Senior Member
Fighting around Kobane intensifies, ISIS is using tanks and other armored vehicles quite openly but so fair no airstrikes on them . My guess is that anti-ISIS coalition lacks FACs on the ground, and also, do to the proximity of Turkish border they do not want to violate their airspace .

I don't think so. Obama is not bombing ISIS around Kobane because he want Turkey to send troops into Syria. So he wouldn't have "put boots on the ground". Turkey is facing heavy domestic pressure to save Kobane but want American reassurance that Assad is next on the list. Citiziens of Kobane face massacre in the mean time.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
No surprise there Broc. The Rules of disarmament are based on the "Honor system". It's up to the Disarming to admit to there weapons not the Intelligence services of other nations. In other words If I was a Government Who decided to sign the paper work and you are the Chemical weapons inspectors I can tell you I have 16 crates of Sarin gas and you can only count 16 crates. If there is a 17th crate loaded with Sarin gas canisters, you have to ignore it. oh and you can't search any where you like as I tell you where the weapons are. It political games.
 

navyreco

Senior Member
French Navy Cassard class Anti Aircraft Frigate Jean Bart deployed to provide air control over Iraq
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The French Navy announced yesterday that the Cassard class Anti-Aircraft Frigate Jean Bart (D615) set sail from Toulon naval base for a deployement in the Persian Gulf. The Frigate will provide air control for coalition aircraft conduction missions over Iraq against ISIL.
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For this specific deployement, the anti-aircraft frigate Jean Bart and her crew of about 250 sailors will join a French force consisting of 9 Rafale jets, a C135-FR tanker aircraft and an Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft as part of Operation Chammal.
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Equation

Lieutenant General
The foreign affairs commentator of my favorite radio station writes today that it looks very odd that Western leaders are extremely indignant about the barbarous IS beheading three men while in the same period Saudi Arabia beheaded some 19 people and this year in total 34. And in public by an executioner who was tought this work by his father and who tries to interest his sons in the same work. He works in public on a square in Riyadh that Westerners call Chop chop square. There should be more reason to bomb Saudi Arabia than IS. But those people in Riyadh are Saudi's and servants from Asia and Africa. And of course there is oil and money. But if an American or European were to be beheaded .....

To be fair Delft that is more of a country's death penalty for breaking the law, meaning the public are given notice about the law prior to arrest, prosecuted, and judgement if it were broken (regardless if that law is just or not). It's different than just coming in to a village and commit beheading for actions and beliefs deem to be unjust or "unlawful" without letting the public know about it before hand. Yes you are right if it were a westerner gets beheaded for breaking a certain law in Saudi Arabia that would definitely get more news coverage.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
I don't think so. Obama is not bombing ISIS around Kobane because he want Turkey to send troops into Syria. So he wouldn't have "put boots on the ground". Turkey is facing heavy domestic pressure to save Kobane but want American reassurance that Assad is next on the list. Citiziens of Kobane face massacre in the mean time.

For a Turkey run by Erdogan's "moderate" Islamists, ISIS is certainly lesser evil then Kurdish PKK or Syria's Assad . They may even tacitly support them (Biden hinted that) to achieve their strategic goals . IMHO, Turkey is now purposely dragging their feet to let ISIS do as much damage as possible to PKK .

On the other hand, Obama's administration is playing dangerous game of good terrorists and bad terrorists . US , Gulf monarchies and Israel don't want ISIS running the show in Syria, but on the other hand would welcome toppling of Assad and his replacement with "moderate" rebels . To that end, they are using present situation to put pressure on Kurds - if you want our help , you need to join FSA .

In last 24h US stepped up airstrikes on ISIS on Kobane, and I would say something big may have happened behind scenes , like Kurds agreeing to be a part of broad anti-Assad coalition . It is even possible that some members of Special Forces along with FACs crossed border from Turkey and embedded themselves with Kurdish forces .
 

delft

Brigadier
The foreign affairs correspondent of my favorite radio station said today in his weekly colomn that Joe Biden was quite right in saying that the new Arab allies of the fight with IS are also its financers, even it was honest to say so, and that other allies, even those that only contibute six F-16's ( i.e. The Netherlands ), should be aware of that.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
ISIS managed to shoot down another Iraqi helicopter, this time it was Bell 407 .

ISLAMIC STATE MILITANTS SHOOT DOWN IRAQI MILITARY HELICOPTER

Officials in Baghdad say that militants with the Islamic State group have downed an Iraqi military helicopter near the refinery town of Beiji, killing the two pilots on board.

A military aviation official says the militants used a shoulder-fired missile to take down the Bell 407 helicopter north of the town this morning.

The town of Beiji is home to Iraq's largest oil refinery and is located about about 130 miles north of Baghdad.

A Defense Ministry official confirmed the attack. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity in line with regulations.

This is the second Iraqi military helicopter shot down over Beiji by Islamic State militants in one week.

Last Friday militants shot down an Mi-35 helicopter near Beiji, also killing the pilot and co-pilot.

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Might be time to re-open the thread under Strategic Defence, this may be big. Definitely a good sign but a lot of details to be worked out, I did not anticipate it happening so soon.

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The leaders of China and the United States will discuss how to jointly fight the terrorist group Islamic State at a summit in Beijing next month, according to analysts familiar with the situation.

President Xi Jinping will discuss with his US counterpart Barack Obama possible cooperation in intelligence sharing, a crackdown on terrorism funding and blocking arms sales to terrorist organisations.

Bonnie Glaser, a senior adviser for Asia at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said the Chinese foreign ministry initiated a meeting with the US State Department in July to discuss anti-terrorism issues. The last time the two countries held such talks was after the September 11 terrorist attacks on the US in 2001.

The fact that Beijing initiated the idea indicates China's increasing concern over domestic terrorist groups having links to foreign sources. Reports about Chinese nationals - mostly Uygurs - receiving training or even fighting with jihadis in the Middle East worries Chinese leaders.

Cooperation on counter-terrorism was also a good way to ease suspicions between the world's two major powers, the analysts said.

Xi and Obama will hold the summit on November 12, a day after the Asia Pacific Economic Forum concludes in the Chinese capital. With a full day scheduled for the summit, the two leaders are expected to discuss a wide range of issues to strengthen bilateral ties, which would shape geopolitics in the region and beyond.

"Stabilising the bilateral relationship is a main goal for both countries. To achieve this goal, both sides will focus on cooperation measures that can lead to tangible results," said Jin Canrong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing.

Apart from counterterrorism, the two leaders would also discuss cooperation on climate change and containing the Ebola outbreak, Jin and Glaser said.

While Obama was expected to raise the issue of the pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong - as part of the human rights dialogue - it would be overshadowed by other concerns, Jin said.

He said Hong Kong would only be discussed in passing. "Hong Kong does not have any strategic value for the US. What is more important is the stability of the bilateral ties," he said.

But Glaser said if the situation deteriorated in Hong Kong, it would take a higher priority on Obama's agenda.

The discussion on counterterrorism was likely to centre on the issue of Islamic State, although it was still not clear whether China would prefer to work through a bilateral or a multilateral framework, Glaser said.

He said the two countries could work together on information exchanges, and that this could involve the military and civilian intelligence agencies of both countries.

Jin said another area for cooperation was to identify and cut the funding links of Islamic State and other terror groups. The two countries worked together to crack down on terrorism financing after September 11, Jin noted.

Washington and Beijing could also provide training for Iraq's special police, Jin said.

This would be similar to what happened in 2001, when China and the US put aside their bitter diplomatic spat over the collision of fighter jets over the South China Sea to cooperate on the fight against al-Qaeda, the terrorist group that claimed responsibility for the September 11 attacks.

Glaser hoped the fight against Islamic State would take a similar path.

"Cooperation on a real threat can help both of our countries. It gives us a common adversary that we can work against and something that we can work together for. That does carry the potential for improving [the bilateral] relationship," Glaser said.

China has so far been unwilling to participate in the US-led air strikes against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

Still, there are some thorny issues the two sides would have to address. The US is expected to express concern over China's claims on disputed islands in the South China Sea.

Another source said the US business community was also pressing Obama to raise the issue of China's allegedly biased enforcement of antitrust laws against foreign multinationals.
 
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