ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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Lieutenant General
a moment ago I found this:
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it's so spooky I didn't read it ... TE, what do you think?

The manpad operator still needs to be in a perfect spot to shoot and evade the Apache return fire PLUS other elements including aerial drones and ground troops that can spot and call in fire support. Sure ISIS can take a shot at it but he might not be alive to do it again. That means trained personnel and specialty will be diminished and all ISIS will have left is a suicide Stinger missile squad. As a result shot on target will be diminish as well.
 

hlcc

Junior Member
I have never seen more of a incompetent army and government than the current Iraqi establishment

Between 2003-2011 the US spent between $25-30 billion training and equipping the Iraqi security forces and pretty much within a few days they left their post to ISIS not only that they left M1 Abram tanks and scores of IFV and Humvees to ISIS too

Anyone who even suggests that Iraqi or Kurds should do the ground work is seriously misguided it's like the blind leading the blind

The backwardness and corruption that exists is beyond imaginable, there was a special battalion of Iraqi security forces who was meant to be a elite group of soldiers 800 strong when it came to the fighting only 300 turned up and less than half didn't even know how to use their weapons the rest fled as soon as ISIS showed up you work out the rest

To ask the Iraqis to do the ground work while collation does the air strikes is like asking a bank robber to look after the bank while you switch off the CCTV cameras

Either you go in 300,000 soldiers strong or you leave it , air strikes alone will do nothing unless you have boots on the ground no air campaign from a military perspective will work without boots on the ground

Boots on the ground is a prerequisite for a air campaign you need to know what your hitting and what is the targets you need eyes you need ears you need men on the ground there's no two ways about this it might be 100 men of 100,000 men but you need a presence on the ground

What can you expect from the same people that spend $85 million to buy those useless ADE-651 fake bomb detectors. With allegedly 75% of that $85 million going to Iraqi officials as kickbacks.

Don't take a genius to guess how they spend the rest of the aid provided to them.
 

delft

Brigadier
Ambassador Bhadrakumar on IS, US, Turkey and Iran:
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NATO slouches toward Syria, Iran draws red line

Tehran has come out openly today warning Turkey against making “any move which will further exacerbate and complicate the conditions in the region and have irreparable consequences.” The foreign ministry spokesperson disclosed that Tehran has made a demarche with Ankara to act with great circumspection. This is the first Iranian reaction to the resolution passed by the Turkish parliament last Thursday authorising the government to despatch troops to Syria.
The Iranian reaction is sharp and amounts to a warning that if Turkish troops cross the border into Turkey, there will be “irreparable consequences.” Hmm. Things are getting to be rather explosive. Why such a sharp Iranian reaction?
Evidently, Tehran has seen through Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan’s game plan, which is playing out on three templates. Erdogan visualizes that the US-led air campaign against the Islamic State won’t suffice to curb the extremist challenge and there is going to be need for “boots on the ground”. He knows Turkey is the only country which is in a position to deploy ground troops to strengthen the US’ strategy against IS.
So, Erdogan has put forward a pre-condition — he will play ball provided the US reworks its anti-IS strategy in Syria to include ‘regime change’. But Washington prevaricated. Thereupon, Erdogan played his second card — reviving the ancient Turkish proposal to create a “buffer zone” inside Syria. And, then, he made the buffer zone a precondition for Ankara’s intervention to defend the northern Syrian town of Kobane on the Turkish border which had come under IS attack.
Again, Washington dithered. Kobane has now fallen to the IS. Meanwhile, Erdogan has anyway scored a goal — Kobane is a Kurdish town and its capture by the IS weakens the effectiveness of the Kurdish separatist organization PKK fighting the Turkish army.
Simply put, Erdogan is allowing the IS (which Turkey supports secretly) to crush the Kurds in northern Syria, while at the same time offering help to President Barack Obama to fight the IS — provided, of course, the US went along with the Turkish territorial ambitions (under the garb of buffer and ‘no-fly-zone’) in Syria, which will be the first shot in a ‘Balkanization’ of that Country.
Clearly, Erdogan’s agenda focuses on the “regime change” in Syria and, secondly, on the weakening and eventual decimation of the Kurdish separatist groups, while his attitude to the IS as such has always remained ambivalent.
How long can President Barack Obama hold out against Erdogan’s blackmail? The US’ resistance to the buffer zone idea is weakening, as hinted strongly by Secretary of State John Kerry today in a remark after meeting his British counterpart — although Pentagon continues to insist that “buffer zone” is not in the consideration zone of the US strategy. The point is, Obama has come under withering criticism in the domestic opinion for having “done little” to stop the fall of Kobane.
It suits Erdogan to despatch the Turkish troops under some sort of NATO intervention in Syria. Which makes the visit to Ankara today by the NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg highly significant. (The US special envoy to Syria Gen. John Allen also arrived in Ankara today.) The French President Francois Hollande has voiced support for the idea of “buffer zone” in Syria. Which, of course, means Saudi Arabia has okayed it too.
To be sure, a momentum is building up for NATO intervention in Syria. It may seem modest in the beginning in terms of NATO offering “protection” to a member country (Turkey).
The powerful chairman of the House foreign relations committee in Washington, Edward Royce said in statement harshly criticizing the Obama administration, “A terrorist army is now on NATO’s doorstep. It is time for Turkey and other Alliance members to do more forcefully get involved in combating ISIL in Syria.”
Erdogan is probably assessing that if the Turkish troops invade Syria under the garb of a NATO operation, Iran (and Russia) would hesitate to make countermoves lest that brought them into a collision course with the Western alliance.
But Tehran seems to have understood what is afoot. The Foreign Ministry spokesperson announced today that Iran is willing to (militarily) intervene to liberate Kobane from the IS, if the Syrian government of President Bashar Al-Assad makes such a request to Tehran. In real terms, Tehran has pre-empted the pretext for a NATO intervention in Syria.
Erdogan may have overreached. Within Turkey, too, opposition is building up against the despatch of Turkish troops to Syria, including even within the Islamist camp.
Indeed, if the Kurds get Kobane liberated with Iranian help, that will expose Erdogan completely. The repercussions can be very serious for Turkey, because Kurds won’t accept Erdogan’s perceived betrayal. Anti-government violence has erupted on a big scale in the Kurdish regions in eastern Turkey.

Posted in Diplomacy, Military, Politics.

Tagged with Arab spring, Iraq, ISIL, Muslim Brotherhood, NATO expansion, Recep Erdogan, Syria's civil war.

By M K Bhadrakumar – October 9, 2014
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
A lot of America's seemingly illogical moves in its campaign against ISIS takes on new meaning if you drop the saintly image, and consider just how much of a hindrance Congress' intransigence has become to effective decision making.

Firstly, I seriously doubt there was any behind-the-scenes agreement between Syria and America about US led attacks on ISIS on Syrian sovereign territory.

I think far from it, America wants Assad to take a pot shot at its aircraft. It's no secret Obama wanted to topple Assad, but he doesn't have the domestic support to do so, not least in Congress, who seems determined to undermine him at every turn no matter the cost to the country.

If Syria started the shooting, even Congress will be hard pressed to find plausible reason to fault Obama for launching an all out attack on Assad.

Similarly, everyone with any tactical sense knows that air power alone cannot root out ISIS, so the decision to not attack ISIS forces attacking Kobane to try and force the Turks to engage on the ground.
 

delft

Brigadier
A lot of America's seemingly illogical moves in its campaign against ISIS takes on new meaning if you drop the saintly image, and consider just how much of a hindrance Congress' intransigence has become to effective decision making.

Firstly, I seriously doubt there was any behind-the-scenes agreement between Syria and America about US led attacks on ISIS on Syrian sovereign territory.

I think far from it, America wants Assad to take a pot shot at its aircraft. It's no secret Obama wanted to topple Assad, but he doesn't have the domestic support to do so, not least in Congress, who seems determined to undermine him at every turn no matter the cost to the country.

If Syria started the shooting, even Congress will be hard pressed to find plausible reason to fault Obama for launching an all out attack on Assad.

Similarly, everyone with any tactical sense knows that air power alone cannot root out ISIS, so the decision to not attack ISIS forces attacking Kobane to try and force the Turks to engage on the ground.
And Erdogan only want to attack if he gets political backing to attack IS only for the form, remember the oil IS sells into Turkey, and directs his forces mainly against the Syrian government. That is what Iran tries to prevent. See ambassador Bhadrakumar's blog post
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SouthernSky

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Assad, being the lesser of two evils in the current conflict, fighting the same enemy as the US led coalition and having backing from Iran and Russia will continue to remain in power over parts of Syria for the foreseeable future.
 

delft

Brigadier
Assad, being the lesser of two evils in the current conflict, fighting the same enemy as the US led coalition and having backing from Iran and Russia will continue to remain in power over parts of Syria for the foreseeable future.
Erdogan doesn't think so and neither I think Saudi Arabia and parts of Washington.
 

Jeff Head

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Jeff Head

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In an effort to get back on track...let me lead by example.

Here is a sequence of pictures showing a B-1B Lancer bomber getting refueled and then departing while conducting operations against ISIS:


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Lots of pictures there.

Efforts like this with PGMs can impeded and damage a force like ISIS...particularly if it is a heavy campaign...which to date this is not.

The US has run a few hundred sorties against ISIS in about 6 weeks. To really be effective and seriously degrade them, there needs to be a couple of hundred a day.

As it is, they are having to be much more careful in how they use their tanks, vehicles, and other assets, but they are still making progress near Baghdad and the Turkish border.
 
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As it is, they are having to be much more careful in how they use their tanks, vehicles, and other assets, but they are still making progress near Baghdad and the Turkish border.

One can see [ISIS] tanks and artillery . . . in the open on TV, yet the coalition forces for ‘Operation Un-named Effort’ are not hitting them.

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