Is the PRC suppling Iraqi insurgents?

Its not just that, but China has companies working in Iraq and Afghanistan now that is helping to rebuild the country. As a matter of fact, a raid on a Chinese construction site in Afghanistan killed many Chinese workers. A Chinese official came to visit and later a PRC transport plane brought the bodies back home.

The PLA also has plain clothes special forces in Iraq guarding officials and Chinese contract sites. I remembered pictures of one dude wearing sunglasses, carrying a Type 95, posing in front of some Iraqis he made friends with along with patrolling US GIs and Iraqi military.

Iran and Syria backing the Sunnis? I find that rather hard to believe since the Sunnis are considered blood enemies. The Sunnis are being supported by other Arabs (note borders with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait). The Syrians and the Iranians are supporting the Shiia militias and even seems cooperative with the US when their interests are aligned (killing the Sunnis insurgents) because in a post US Iraq, the Sunnis are the biggest threat to the Iranian backed Shiia from controlling the country.

If you want to see the truth what is going on with Iraq and the PRC, you can check this article.

since it was not even being pickup by the fox tv, a notorous rightwing mouth pieces nor carry by NYT. nor washington post. but by washington times
where China bushing becoming psyhotic.

I personally think that it is probable that the chinese, either directly or indirectly are supplying arms to insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, and probably other groups as well. I wouldn't be surprised if there was confirmation of this. I see the PRC and the US as being opponents, not friends. From their perspective, I think it would make sense for them to do such a thing. Obviously it would be contrary to our own interests.

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Gollevainen
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Confirmation? Why haven't we seen such confirmation? It's all so vague and general and comes from Bill Gertz and the Moonie Washington Times meaning there is none. Just wishful thinking like that recent article stating Rumsfeld before 9-11 through back channels told the Taiwanese to declare independence so that the US can get in a war with China. Iraq has probably made the Neo-cons think twice. Hmmm. Maybe you're right.

It kind of shows how desperate some Americans are for Iraq today, things don't go well, but go badly. Then they need somebody to blame.

Chinese actuall sold billions of dollars worth weapons to Iraq, under Saddam rule, many of them were destroyed in 2 gulf wars. But Americans didn't complain much at that time.

AssassinsMace said:

Remember when the US Navy intercepted a ship from China heading to Iran with "good intelligence" that it was shipping chemical weapons. What did they find on that ship? Farm tools. I guess someone can spin it that those farm tools can be used to grow many variety of plants that have ingredients in making chemical weapons.

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not so true, it was nothing but a trap designed by chinese for US to "enjoy". The chemicals was actully already loaded on the ship, but ordered to be emptied before leaving the port. US did receive the right information regarding to the chemicals, but china also receieved the right information that US will intercept it on the high sea.

From the past records, based on the balance of probabilities, i do believe it is likely for china to export those weapons for several reasons.
1. china did export the chemicals to Iran in the end
2. during the Iran-Iraq war, COSTIND had a general meeting (Gen Cao was present) and the conclusion was to sell whatever to Iran and Iraq, as long as it is not ICBM that can hit china.
3.China sold heavy water to Iran and other rogue state through an German agent in the past.(by the way that was a smuggling operation, without approve from COSTIND, and the last shipment was stopped by the army when it was enroute to the port)

it is possible for china to sell those weapons, or someone in china decided to smuggle those weapons out.

The Iraqi Army was supposed to buy nearly one billion dollars worth of weapons from China and Pakistan, yet that money vanished. It's most likely in the hands of Iraqi insurgents or in the bank accounts of some corrupt Iraqi Army general. Several months ago nearly a hundred Steyr .50 caliber rifles were captured around Baghdad, but Australia wasn't blamed for it. Imagine if even a third of that amount was captured but instead had a Russian manufacturer or even worse, Iranian.

As for China supplying weapons to Iraqi insurgents, that's just plain silly. I think China has learned from the American experience that playing around with these groups will just invite more trouble in the future. China has no interest or benefit of seeing US soldiers die in Iraq. If Chinese weapons ARE being used in Iraq or even Afghanistan, then its probably more of a corruption problem (aka arms dealers trying to make a couple of bucks) than it is a threat from the PLA.

sinowarrior said:

not so true, it was nothing but a trap designed by chinese for US to "enjoy". The chemicals was actully already loaded on the ship, but ordered to be emptied before leaving the port. US did receive the right information regarding to the chemicals, but china also receieved the right information that US will intercept it on the high sea.

From the past records, based on the balance of probabilities, i do believe it is likely for china to export those weapons for several reasons.
1. china did export the chemicals to Iran in the end
2. during the Iran-Iraq war, COSTIND had a general meeting (Gen Cao was present) and the conclusion was to sell whatever to Iran and Iraq, as long as it is not ICBM that can hit china.
3.China sold heavy water to Iran and other rogue state through an German agent in the past.(by the way that was a smuggling operation, without approve from COSTIND, and the last shipment was stopped by the army when it was enroute to the port)

it is possible for china to sell those weapons, or someone in china decided to smuggle those weapons out.

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Sounds like one of those convenient excuses after something embarrassing happens. I think some still use that excuse to explain why no WMDs were found in Iraq. They went to Syria or Iran.

crazyinsane105 said:

The Iraqi Army was supposed to buy nearly one billion dollars worth of weapons from China and Pakistan, yet that money vanished. It's most likely in the hands of Iraqi insurgents or in the bank accounts of some corrupt Iraqi Army general. Several months ago nearly a hundred Steyr .50 caliber rifles were captured around Baghdad, but Australia wasn't blamed for it. Imagine if even a third of that amount was captured but instead had a Russian manufacturer or even worse, Iranian.

As for China supplying weapons to Iraqi insurgents, that's just plain silly. I think China has learned from the American experience that playing around with these groups will just invite more trouble in the future. China has no interest or benefit of seeing US soldiers die in Iraq. If Chinese weapons ARE being used in Iraq or even Afghanistan, then its probably more of a corruption problem (aka arms dealers trying to make a couple of bucks) than it is a threat from the PLA.

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Steyr Mannlicher is an Austrian company, not Australian. Also, the allegations did not fan out; there was no hard proof, in the form of serial numbers, that would have confirmed that these weapons were actually of Austrian manufacturer, as the patents for the Steyr HS .50, the weapon involved, ran out years ago, and many illegal copies were being made of it around the world. Also, the newspaper that reported the story also admitted that they were unable to verify the story.