Is the PRC suppling Iraqi insurgents?

yehe

Junior Member
China just revived a nice oil deal during the visit of the new Iraqi president to Beijing recently, and wrote off a old debt for the iraqi, think it won't serve any Chinese interest for a american faluire in Iraq. I know some countries, even many europeans would like to see a US faluire in Iraq, so they can just point the finger and laugh @ US at behind and can tell US "Didn't we told you so?" But actually China is not one of these countries, the oil price is already high enough while chinese demand for oil is continuing surging, not only most of china's oil comes from middle east, that area is also one of the fastest export market growth for chinese goods. Wouldnt serve China any good with a Iraqi civilwar that can potentially spread across the entire region. As China really just want a stable period of time for its own social and economical transformation ATM, the only thing that can make China risk all that would be only Taiwan IMO.
 
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AssassinsMace

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China just revived a nice oil deal during the visit of the new Iraqi president to Beijing recently, and wrote off a old debt for the iraqi, think it won't serve any Chinese interest for a american faluire in Iraq. I know some countries, even many europeans would like to see a US faluire in Iraq, so they can just point the finger and laugh @ US at behind and can tell US "Didn't we told you so?" But actually China is not one of these countries, the oil price is already high enough while chinese demand for oil is continuing surging, not only most of china's oil comes from middle east, that area is also one of the fastest export market growth for chinese goods. Wouldnt serve China any good with a Iraqi civilwar that can potentially spread across the entire region. As China really just want a stable period of time for its own social and economical transformation ATM, the only thing that can make China risk all that would be only Taiwan IMO.

Actually the truth on whether China wants to see the US succeed or fail in Iraq is a moot point. The neocons are already angry that China has continued robust growth while the US has been bogged down in the War on Terror. Many have made the conclusion that China has taken advantage of it making diplomatic inroads around the world at the same time. I'm sure now the US would love to see Chinese oil companies go into Iraq. At least if they get the oil flowing to market, it won't cost American lives and the US can demand the profits from the Iraqi end of the deal. I think it's clear the the US backed Iraqi government in power will never get the country stable without Saddam-style rights violations.
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
Now, the fact that the US is borrowing so much money from China to finance the occupation on the other hand is indeed a factor that gives China a bargaining chip if the situation really does deteriorate into a 'Cold War'.

That style of 'Cold War' is impossible now, the environmnet is quite different.

Chinese strategists have drawn the conclusion that this kind of American dominance can't last long without China's cooperation. Not US likes to do that, but not much choice.
 

utelore

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Look, I am not going to go into how,were,when I was informed THEY are using ATGW in guise of EFP???who nose but I guess for sec reasons DoD not saying more....BUT ya have to read the code between other incidents

Two Multi-National Division - Baghdad Soldiers were killed and two other Soldiers were wounded when an explosive formed **PROJECTILE** detonated near their patrol during combat operations in a southern section of the Iraqi capital July 5.======Toosan, RPG-29,Metis/Kornet/IRdragon
 

crazyinsane105

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the biggest problem the U.S forces are facing besides the EFP IED supplied by iran and syria is the new warheads they are putting on the RPG-7 and the deployment of the RPG-29. also Metis-M and Kornet are being used in larger numbers but this is not being annouced by the DoD. Some cases of Metis-M hits are being reported as EFP IED hits.

I dont see the PRC aiding the insurgancy in any way. no reports of PRC weapons systems in Iraq.

Why isn't DoD announcing this? Are they afraid that if they announce this, that they will have to take military action against Iran and Syria (something they don't want to do right now)? And the only RPG-7 warhead I can think of that can actually do substantial damage to US armor is the one with the tandem warhead...forgot it's name.
 

King_Comm

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The tandem warhead is PG-7VR.

rpg-7_pg7vr.jpg
 

utelore

Junior Member
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Actually in theater of ops we are seeing a wide range of Iranian made RPG-7 upgraded warheads.
44mm tungsten steel high velocity rocket.=punches through slat then can penetrate armour.
70mm thermobaric type=not truly thermobaric but more like HE and WP combined-nasty
100+mm HE squash head to cause spalding and blow buildings
40MM+70MM tandem.=multi hits mission kill heavy armour.

Many Many RPG-27 aka **shorty's** "look a likes" made you know were is tandem and very accurate at 50-100meters.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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I found this story today on yahoo news(AP)..To the casual reader it would appear by the title that China is suppling missiles to insurgents...I have posted the actual title of the article.

Chinese missiles smuggled through Iran into Iraq: US

by Ammar Karim
Sun Jul 22, 8:53 AM ET

BAGHDAD (AFP) - The US military on Sunday said its troops had found Chinese-made missiles which they believe were smuggled into Iraq by groups in Iran in order to arm groups fighting US-led forces.

"We have seen ordnance and weapons that come from other places, but we assess that they have come through Iran," US military spokesman Admiral Mark Fox told reporters.

"There are missiles that are actually manufactured in China that we assess come through Iran as well."

Fox also alleged Iranian agents continue to smuggle Iranian made armour piercing bombs -- explosively-formed penetrators (EFPs) -- to Iraqi extremist groups across the country's long border.

"We do feel that there are networks of EFPs that are coming from Iran," he said, adding the troops had detained two suspects believed to be linked to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards covert Qods Force.

"We have detained two suspects near the Iran-Iraq border just this weekend that we suspect to be part of the IRGC-Qods Force network," he said.

The US military has repeatedly accused Iranian linked groups of training Iraqi extremists in the use of EFPs.

Since May 2004, when the EFPs emerged on the Iraqi battlefield, more than 200 US soldiers have been killed by these bombs which fire a fist-sized chunk of molten metal that can cut through even a heavily armoured vehicle.

Tehran denies being behind any weapons smuggling, but Fox insisted that weapons seized by Iraqi and US forces are clearly of Iranian manufacture.

"They are distinctive ... in particular mortars, mortar pins, some of the residue that you see from the mortar attacks that are distinctly and uniquely Iranian," he said.

"Also the technologies associated with some of the improvised-explosive devices, some of the triggering mechanisms and also some of the techniques and also the technology associated with manufacture of EFPs are distinctly and uniquely Iranian."

The military maintains that many of the extremist groups trained by alleged Iranian agents are Shiite militants who have broken away from the Mahdi Army, the Iraqi militia loyal to anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

Fox, nevertheless said that the broader organisation -- which is a powerful political and religious movement as well as a militia -- is not in itself a terrorist outfit.

"As I described earlier there are secret cells, rogue elements of Jaish al-Mahdi that we consider to be extremists, to be terrorists or that are not answerable to any higher authority and are in fact as I said rogue," Fox said.

"We have not necessarily felt that the entire large organisation of JAM is like that," he said, using the common US abbreviation for the Mahdi Army.

"We understand that there are factions or splinters or pieces of JAM that are still decent and hardworking and members of society that are not like that."
 

crazyinsane105

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The article doesn't even specify what type of missiles are being smuggled in. As a matter of fact, journalists tend to get confused as to what a rocket and what a missile is. Are they copies of the HJ-8, or are they ordinary Katushya rockets? The article fails to specify.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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The article doesn't even specify what type of missiles are being smuggled in.

This is typical of the average news media person. They no nothing about the military.

Recently I heard a well know reporter on FOX refer to USN sailors as soilders..
 
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