Is the PRC suppling Iraqi insurgents?

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Schumacher

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The article has little evidence so it's hard to know for sure whether it's true or not but I wouldn't be surprised at all if there're some truth to it.
Given that most of the world probably see the Iraqis as freedom fighters against an occupation force, I don't see much wrong with it either even if it's true.
China most likely won't admit it openly even if it's true due to political considerations. They'll probably use this to bargain on various issues with US & use it to gain political standing with the non-western world etc.
 
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scorpioking

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New intelligence????
I don't think those fellows still have credibility, they made too many mistakes
or maybe misleadings in purpose.
They are bluffing, this is a typical gesture you can use in negotiation for something you want
Besides, I believe U.S can find it's own weapons are using by those islamic soldiers, so I can say U.S is supporting these insurgents as well
 
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bd popeye

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alwaysfresh said:
That article seems to be pure speculation. There is no proof, or else people who love to blame China would be posting it and threating China. This article just is blaming China for all the US problems in the war to the average reader and jumps from Iraq to Iran and then to North Korea trying to set China as the cause and the source. Pure BS.

Why do I get in trouble and labelled as being political when I reference directly the words of a politian saying direct factual statements about the war, and about China. This politian's words are better then the news and media, because his sources are the CIA and military papers presented to politians. My post get deleted, and this post with writings from some propaganda person with real pure political motives gets let alone. Please explain.
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This is a partial response via PM to alwaysfresh query about what he precieves as political posting.

I posted the article because Mr Gertz & others at the Washington Times have decided to make China an enemy of the US. This is one of the things neo-cons do. Twist the facts to create an enemy. I want to expose their half baked ideas, and shed some light on the subject to see if their is any truth to it. Not create a political discussion.
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Ryz05

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Didn't the US blame Iran for supplying insurgents with weapons earlier? China's weapons probably made it to Iraq by way of Iran. In any case, China does not want to see a failed Iraq, in fact, a recent report indicates China cancelled some Iraqi debts during a visit by the Iraqi president to China. These news reports are nothing more than alarmist views and China bashing.

Here is the link to the Iraqi president's China visit:
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AssassinsMace

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There were claims that Iran was supplying arms to the insurgency in general. So Iran supplies the enemy, Sunni, in the civil war against their team, the Shiite. Remember that large cache of high grade explosives found then a couple days later all disappeared in that bunker in the beginning of the war? Iraq then was described as one giant bunker. Weapons can be found everywhere. Now all the sudden the insurgency needs Iran for all there IEDs?

Speaking before of the geo-politics of the region... Iran is not friendly with Pakistan who back the Taliban. So Iran supplies both the Sunni who they fought a long war and the Taliban who are allied with their enemy Pakistan? Why not look at the Saudis? They have said they will back the Sunni against the Iranian backed Shiite. Are they getting another pass since the majority of the 9-11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

Of course this is for the consumption of the voters. Damn reality and common sense! Who cares about these differences when the universe only operates in black and white. "If you're not for me then you must be against me."
 
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Pointblank

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AssassinsMace said:
There were claims that Iran was supplying arms to the insurgency in general. So Iran supplies the enemy, Sunni, in the civil war against their team, the Shiite. Remember that large cache of high grade explosives found then a couple days later all disappeared in that bunker in the beginning of the war? Iraq then was described as one giant bunker. Weapons can be found everywhere. Now all the sudden the insurgency needs Iran for all there IEDs?

Speaking before of the geo-politics of the region... Iran is not friendly with Pakistan who back the Taliban. So Iran supplies both the Sunni who they fought a long war and the Taliban who are allied with their enemy Pakistan? Why not look at the Saudis? They have said they will back the Sunni against the Iranian backed Shiite. Are they getting another pass since the majority of the 9-11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

Of course this is for the consumption of the voters. Damn reality and common sense! Who cares about these differences when the universe only operates in black and white. "If you're not for me then you must be against me."
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It is now that more advanced weaponry is starting to show up in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Weapons that are recently manufactured in both Iran, Russia and China. This is the worrying part for the West in general that someone is supplying such insurgents and terrorists with the latest in weapons.
 
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fishhead

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Pointblank said:
It is now that more advanced weaponry is starting to show up in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Weapons that are recently manufactured in both Iran, Russia and China. This is the worrying part for the West in general that someone is supplying such insurgents and terrorists with the latest in weapons.
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LOL, HN-5 is definitely not a "more advanced weaponry" for PLA. It's the Chinese first generation shoulder-launched and I doubt China today even produces it. HN-5 went to dozen of countries from Vietname, Nicaragua to Iraq, Iran, North Korea....No way for people to track it unfortunately.

It just shows that somebody today is bolder enough to ignore west retaliation since Iraq goes so bad. But it has not much to do with Chinese, who can provide much lethal ones than these 1980s weapons.
 
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adeptitus

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I have little doubt that some PRC supplied weapons to Iran has been diverted to 3rd party, with or without consent from the Iranian Government.

The issue for PRC government here is that, like the Americans who supported the Afghans in 1980s, some day the same weapons may be turned against you.


On side note, the Iranians seem to have gotten the HN-5 SAM's as early as 14 years ago:
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1993-1994
Iran has ballistic missiles of the Scud variety, possibly with an extended range. Iran's Army possesses Frog-7 SSMs, more than 100 Scud-Bs, and some Scud-C SSMs, with local manufacture of SSMs reported. Iran also possesses SA-7 and HN-5 SAMs.
—"Iran: Middle East and North Africa," Middle East Military Balance, 1993-1994, pp.109, 115.
 
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fishhead

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HN-5 is obsolete even for Iran, who can make QW series missiles now, generations ahead of HN-5. Iran got that technology from Pak well Pak got that from China. There is no control there.

It's the samething like US selling F14 to Iran, you never know what happens tomorrow. This will keep going like this until major powers reach agreement on a ban list, that will never happen.

If Britain and France worked out, there wouldn't be a USA
If Britain and Germany worked out, there wouldn't be a strong Soviet/Russia
If US and Soviet worked out, there wouldn't a strong China

Things will not change anyway......since big powers can never make compromise on conflict of interest. Don't complain, guys.
 
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