indian ocean conflict

MIGleader

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jatt said:
Note the Barhmos does sea-skim when engaging the target.
so does the harpoon and yj-62. not a very unique attribute.

as a ashm, the brahmos will be very deadly to any of pakistans warships, since they lack medium range sams and ciws. the mki can easily be modified to fire it. pakistans in trouble...
 

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MIGleader said:
so does the harpoon and yj-62. not a very unique attribute.

as a ashm, the brahmos will be very deadly to any of pakistans warships, since they lack medium range sams and ciws. the mki can easily be modified to fire it. pakistans in trouble...
If remember correctly the Pakistani Navy was always in troubled waters.
 

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MIGleader said:
so does the harpoon and yj-62. not a very unique attribute.

as a ashm, the brahmos will be very deadly to any of pakistans warships, since they lack medium range sams and ciws. the mki can easily be modified to fire it. pakistans in trouble...
anything would be trouble for the pakistani warships. What do they even have?

Sea-skimming cuts the detection by 1/3. While Brahmos will get detected and fired at before its diving stage, the Klub missile with still be cruising along in safety. Same with Harpoon.
 

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tphuang said:
anything would be trouble for the pakistani warships. What do they even have?

Sea-skimming cuts the detection by 1/3. While Brahmos will get detected and fired at before its diving stage, the Klub missile with still be cruising along in safety. Same with Harpoon.
Both the Barhmos and Club climb up 40 km from the target to scan. Thats when the suprise is over.
 

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jatt said:
Both the Barhmos and Club climb up 40 km from the target to scan. Thats when the suprise is over.
My point is that Klub won't be detected until about 40KM, whereas Brahmos can be detected and shot at earlier. By that time, both Klub and Brahmos should be in their final attack mode. Klub's sub/supersonic version goes at mach 2.9 and Brahmos goes at mach 2.8 I think. Manuverability should be similar at this point. So, the chance of them getting shot down should be similar.

Vs, short range AShM, (< 40 KM), they should have similar effects. vs dedicated air defense, brahmos will get detected and shot at before klub for sure.
 

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Pakistani warships would be in big trouble by the Brahmos unless the PN gets an destroyer like the 051C. However, the PN would most likely use subs against the IN. That would be the only way the PN would be able to effectively counter the IN. But wait, since this is 2012, I think that PN would have some credible defense against anti-ship missiles.
 

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tphuang said:
My point is that Klub won't be detected until about 40KM, whereas Brahmos can be detected and shot at earlier. By that time, both Klub and Brahmos should be in their final attack mode. Klub's sub/supersonic version goes at mach 2.9 and Brahmos goes at mach 2.8 I think. Manuverability should be similar at this point. So, the chance of them getting shot down should be similar.

Vs, short range AShM, (< 40 KM), they should have similar effects. vs dedicated air defense, brahmos will get detected and shot at before klub for sure.
The Barhmos has a range of 280 km, while the max range of Klub is 220. I think designers figured that the Barhmos would be best flying low when it has reached the defence zone of the enemy airdefence. Simply at 220 km the Barhmos would have enough life to fly low to evade radar detecton of missile interception and high altitudes. Oh and BTW the Klub flyes at high altitudes after launch to use its jets (?) meaning it can be detected by a good radar.
 

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jatt said:
The Barhmos has a range of 280 km, while the max range of Klub is 220. I think designers figured that the Barhmos would be best flying low when it has reached the defence zone of the enemy airdefence. Simply at 220 km the Barhmos would have enough life to fly low to evade radar detecton of missile interception and high altitudes. Oh and BTW the Klub flyes at high altitudes after launch to use its jets (?) meaning it can be detected by a good radar.
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it cruises at 20 m above the water, that's called sea skimming.

There are two major variants of Klub, the one that is purely subsonic and has a range of 300 and the one that has a supersonic final stage, but only has a range of 220. It's interesting that IN chose the former and PLAN chose the latter.
 

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At an altitude of up to 150 metres, the solid-propellant booster is jettisoned, the under-fuselage air intake is extended, and the air-breathing sustainer engine is started. At the same time the wings and tail surfaces are extended, and the weapon descends to its cruising altitude of 10 to 15 metres above sea level.
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With a max of 220 km thats nearly enough to be detected.
 

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crazyinsane105 said:
Pakistani warships would be in big trouble by the Brahmos unless the PN gets an destroyer like the 051C. However, the PN would most likely use subs against the IN. That would be the only way the PN would be able to effectively counter the IN. But wait, since this is 2012, I think that PN would have some credible defense against anti-ship missiles.
you better hope those F22Ps get upgraded to using HQ-16 by then.
 
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