indian ocean conflict

ArjunMk1 said:

Sorry for being off topic ; but I have a simple question !
Why Pakistanis are dreaming of a Sino Indian conflict in their favour. They say about Pakistan+China+Bangladesh+ Mayanmar+..... vs India +0 ??? Not only here but in almost all other forums !!!

But the truth is that NEITHER CHINA NOR INDIA are willing to got at war against each other !!! They are now speaking of friendship and economical cooperation. What they should gain in war ???

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I am Pakistani and I don't wish of any conflict happening between any nation. I would like to see Pakistan and India and India and China to get past their differences and work things out for a better future. Even though that may not work, I do have a strong feeling that a war WON'T happen because every side has nukes and that launching a war would simply be too risky.

Having said that, this thread is just meant to analyze what can happen if a war does break out. Also ArjunMKI, those Pakistanis that daydream of war most likely have not experienced war. My mom and dad ran away from Bangladesh back in 1971 because they were Behari and even though both my parents don't like Indians very much, they surely don't want the nations to got to war because they have actually seen the horrors that take place. So please don't listen to those Pakistanis and Indians that rant about war. They haven't even seen what a war does to average people.

In an actual war between India and Pakistan, both nations will stand alone. There will probably be arbitration by the 5 major powers as this could easily escalate into full scale nuclear exchange.

US and East Asian powers will probably escort their oil tankers and other shipping from the Arabian sea to the Bay of Bengal.

In the event of a war, China will supply Pakistan with weapons, that's about it. As for Bay of Bengal, China is actually gaining more influences there with all the new deals that it is making with countries around India.

ArjunMk1 said:

Sorry for being off topic ; but I have a simple question !
Why Pakistanis are dreaming of a Sino Indian conflict in their favour. They say about Pakistan+China+Bangladesh+ Mayanmar+..... vs India +0 ??? Not only here but in almost all other forums !!!

But the truth is that NEITHER CHINA NOR INDIA are willing to got at war against each other !!! They are now speaking of friendship and economical cooperation. What they should gain in war ???

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The reason is very simple. India has made enemy out of almost all the countries that touches its borders. Even Nepal cries now.

I am a Pakistani & know for sure we do not want any conflict, war even if its cold. But the Indian arms buildup has cautioned its neighbours & has reduced the trust even more. In this condition all the indian neighbours feel safe join forces with each other. India knowing the alliance of these countries is direct threat tends to increase its defence further rather than making friends with these nations & putting the trouble to end for ever. Indian defence built up only invites Pakistan & China to quantify & qualitify their defence & at the same level arm BD, NK, Mayanmar etc.

The reason India is with ZERO allies is cause USSR is not here any more & any one willing to help them are across oceans & are already involved in more than one war, besides they wish no war with Pakistan cause of their alliance with Pak against terror & they are not willing to go up against China just to start a WW3.

Both China & Pakistan show deep economic interests in India & India has taken big leaping steps but the trouble always comes back when India shows of its defence buildup.

No country bording India wishes war but Indian arms builtup does invite it.

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omg! ahahahaha
Indian arms build up invites enemies?
Partially true, but think why?
How many wars since her independence?
3 Wars with Pak and a skirmish caused by the man still in charge! How many wars did India start?

Um, well India DID invade Kashmir first back in 1948. Also, India DID get involved in the 1971 civil war of Pakistan. India also invaded China and got repelled in 1962. India has also interfered in Sri Lanka's internal affairs. So yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say that India is a saint. Far from it. They had no right to interfere in 1971. They had no right to invade China nor did they have any right to invade Kashmir. And this arms buildup is causing other nations to build up their arms as well. If India stops building up its military, then why would Pakistan need F-16's? Or new submarines? Or even new nuclear missiles?

Hmm, with all respect for both partners I think both are about as guilty. Kashmir and Jammu was, as the whole sub-continent, a very complicated place back in 1947-48, so to say who really started is more or less impossible. Both sides escalated it a bit, and a bit more, and a bit more, and suddenly there was a full scale war (okay, perhaps a bit simplistic, but basically true).

That the Pakistani civil war evolved into a war between India and Pakistan on the other hand was India's 'fault'.

Todays arms race fall under the same cathegory as the Kasmir & Jammu, both sides escalets it a bit, and then there starts a vicious circle. The only way to find whos fault the arms race was is usually to fight a war, and then the loser is the one who started it, see WWI for an example

MIGleader said:

suppose in the year 2012, india and china got into a mjor dispute about oil shipping lanes in the indian ocean. so both guys mobelized their navies prepared for armed conflict(not necasserily war).

PLAN and alies
PLAN:
varyag

51cx2
52cx2
52bx2
51bx2
52x2
sovremenyx4

now lets see what happens...

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well, I don't think by 2012 china would only have 2 51Cs. If I remember it correctly I thought the PLAN is going to equipt at least 6 of these class of missile destroyers. Moreover, they are speculations aroung that says the PLAN is already constructing a compelete new destroyer class or may be even a naval cruiser (sorry for the absence of the sources).
However all this are still speculation of course but the things is that we should keep in mind that by 2012 the PLAN could have more ships than the ones mentioned above...

Eurofighter said:

well, I don't think by 2012 china would only have 2 51Cs. If I remember it correctly I thought the PLAN is going to equipt at least 6 of these class of missile destroyers. Moreover, they are speculations aroung that says the PLAN is already constructing a compelete new destroyer class or may be even a naval cruiser (sorry for the absence of the sources).
However all this are still speculation of course but the things is that we should keep in mind that by 2012 the PLAN could have more ships than the ones mentioned above...

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hopefully the PLAN will have the soviet supersize carrier, Ulyanovsk, ready for battle.

PLABUDDY said:

hopefully the PLAN will have the soviet supersize carrier, Ulyanovsk, ready for battle.

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enjoy.




probably never going to happen. china simply doesnt want or need a ship likle this. they were designed to challenge the nimitz. but china needs some form of aircraft carrier to use, because india will have quite a few by 2012.