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MwRYum

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Re: Indian Navy to induct 49 ships over five years, including aircraft carrier and Mi

paintgun said:
around $10 bil, a classical throw money at the problem attempt at solution

other snippets about MKI :

MKI production rate is 16 aircrafts per year
HAL still relies on Russian kits

googling about Indian Dhruv (i remember that it's doing pretty well on sales) found these on wiki :

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aerospace is a tough bitch
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"Throw money at the problem" not necessary a bad thing, with bad project management is. And apparently bad project management plagued India defense sector for a very long time.
 
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wolfie, sure i'll try to bring strictly news stuff then

next, not exactly new, caught this on SDF defencetalk link page,
the amount India spent on Boeing is mindboogling, the Russian binge is over, and not surprisingly with their shoddy tracts all over the news

24 Boeing P-8I Poseidons
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16 Boeing 16 C-17
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and 12 Lockheed C-130
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paintgun

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Embraer-India AEW :

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paintgun said:
24 Boeing P-8I Poseidons
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16 Boeing 16 C-17
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and 12 Lockheed C-130
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This represents a huge investment by India.

If they were to get US pricing for the same (about $215 million for the Poseidon, about $202 million for the Globemaster, and about $ 50 million for the C-130s) it represents about $9 Billion dollars worth of military hardware.

It will be interesting to see how the F18 superhornet and/or F-35 JSF do in bids with the Indians.
 
plawolf

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You'd think they would qualify for some loyal customer discount by now. Maybe Boeing should do stamp cards like Starbucks. Free C130 with every 10 airplane stamps! That will keep them coming back for more.

In fact, it is interesting that none of the world's major aircraft makers have ever offered anything like this.

Fair enough fighters and transports are not cups of coffee or donuts, but if they offered a little discount or a few extra planes and/or discounted weapons/training/logistics, that would be a massive incentive for air forces to stay loyal to their supplier, but would not cost the manufacturer all that much.
 
MwRYum

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plawolf said:
You'd think they would qualify for some loyal customer discount by now. Maybe Boeing should do stamp cards like Starbucks. Free C130 with every 10 airplane stamps! That will keep them coming back for more.

In fact, it is interesting that none of the world's major aircraft makers have ever offered anything like this.

Fair enough fighters and transports are not cups of coffee or donuts, but if they offered a little discount or a few extra planes and/or discounted weapons/training/logistics, that would be a massive incentive for air forces to stay loyal to their supplier, but would not cost the manufacturer all that much.
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Loyalty programme works for consumer goods or whatever that's one-time-use-only and consumption is fast and frequent - but aircraft, military or civil, have lifespan at least 10 years during peacetime, barring mishaps or accidents; besides, every deal also not just covers the plane itself, there's also comprehensive service plan too.

What keeps customer loyal to any manufacturer is the economics and state of affairs of their respective host nation...real incentive usually comes if either order in bulk or what they ordered have a huge fleet currently operated by other users too - for example, what makes F-16 attractive is due to the huge number in service with USAF and various other nations worldwide, thus knock down the unit price per plane, as well as spare parts.

Boeing does the same thing for the C-130 or 737.
 
plawolf

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MwRYum said:
Loyalty programme works for consumer goods or whatever that's one-time-use-only and consumption is fast and frequent - but aircraft, military or civil, have lifespan at least 10 years during peacetime, barring mishaps or accidents; besides, every deal also not just covers the plane itself, there's also comprehensive service plan too.

What keeps customer loyal to any manufacturer is the economics and state of affairs of their respective host nation...real incentive usually comes if either order in bulk or what they ordered have a huge fleet currently operated by other users too - for example, what makes F-16 attractive is due to the huge number in service with USAF and various other nations worldwide, thus knock down the unit price per plane, as well as spare parts.

Boeing does the same thing for the C-130 or 737.
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Actually, trade-in offers are extremely common in the car dealership industry, and those are hardly cheap, one-use consumer goods.

With the kind of margins manufactured are making on combat aircraft exports normally, they can certainly afford to run a loyalty programme if they wanted to.
 
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