Indian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
- Thread starter bd popeye
- Start date
I have not made any statements; I have simply quoted the Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, who explicitly stated that the Chinese J-20 is not a 5th generation jet. No IAF official has refuted the acknowledgment that the F-22 Raptor and F-35 are 5th generation fighter jets. The only assertion the IAF denies is categorizing the J-20 as a fifth-generation fighter jet.
United States did not halt the supply of these systems when India purchased S-400 systems from Russia. there is no apparent reason for the U.S. to disrupt the supply when India acquires the Su-57. India already possesses an extensive inventory of Russian hardware.
India is less inclined to purchase major military platforms from the USA, given the strong alliance between the U.S. and Pakistan, the largest non-NATO ally of the USA. This geopolitical dynamic shapes India's military procurement choices.
?
Su-57 is in serial production&war at this point.
Perhaps with more relevant combat behind it than the whole F-35 fleet.
US international politics are often impressively stupid, but not often they're are this stupid.
They didn't because the US is trying to cozy up to India and molding it into a battering ram against China. When India becomes a threat to the US' hegemony India will be thrown away like a used condom, just like Australia.
I don't think it's possible to "throw away" India.
It's too big for that, and no matter the history (as if it really matters), India already become aware of itself as a potential new center of a multi-polar world.
It struggles, steps onto all possible mistakes and is almost amusingly clumsy, but it is a developing nation of 1.5 billion people, combining all their potential with elites which are aware of it. If it will not collapse, it will be something big and important. And certainly much more than a junior power for the West.
The "certain reasons" are graft and corruption.
Perhaps our new friend could explain why, if J20 is not 5th gen, USAF uses F35s to simulate it, and why early block F22's are being retired in part because they are no longer competitive against J20?
Last edited:
It is always fun to see Europeans insult the Su-57 program. Where are the FCAS and Tempest?
The Russians have a younger and larger air force than any other country in Europe.
Germany and France have zero 5th gens. Italy got 17 F-35As and 3 F-35Bs. The UK got 32 F-35Bs.
Some of the smaller countries like Norway or the Netherlands have more F-35s. But put all the F-35s in Europe together and there is like just a hundred of them. Plus these are single engine fighters more like the Su-75 rather than a twin engine like the Su-57.
This is hardly impressive at all.
I am fairly certain that India will be getting the Su-57 this decade. If I was their Air Force I would have just upgraded the Su-30MKI aircraft to something like the Su-30SM2 standard and not bothered with the Rafale purchase at all. But the Indians never like having a single weapons supplier. Even several decades ago they still bought the Mirage and the Jaguar fighters together with Soviet aircraft.
The Russians have a younger and larger air force than any other country in Europe.
Germany and France have zero 5th gens. Italy got 17 F-35As and 3 F-35Bs. The UK got 32 F-35Bs.
Some of the smaller countries like Norway or the Netherlands have more F-35s. But put all the F-35s in Europe together and there is like just a hundred of them. Plus these are single engine fighters more like the Su-75 rather than a twin engine like the Su-57.
This is hardly impressive at all.
I am fairly certain that India will be getting the Su-57 this decade. If I was their Air Force I would have just upgraded the Su-30MKI aircraft to something like the Su-30SM2 standard and not bothered with the Rafale purchase at all. But the Indians never like having a single weapons supplier. Even several decades ago they still bought the Mirage and the Jaguar fighters together with Soviet aircraft.
