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Pataliputra

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Internal weapon bays are just as important for aerodynamics(like supercruise) - fighter bays didn't appear on 5th generation, they were a thing before.
Aerodynamic compromise here is a fuller form(more volume, at the expense of fuel), which may or may not be very bulky, depending on the way it's done. It's mostly an efficiency problem, and is mostly solvable(can be compensated) simply through a better engine.


While 4th generation jets were indeed made for maneuverability (it's a broad term, there are so much to it - hornet isn't exactly a king of supersonic maneuvering, for example) - first of all, "true" 4th gens (not 4.5) were made before aerodynamic studies of 1980s (basically taking full use of computer design and flight control) could be applied.
And many of those were done later and were done by nations without sufficient experience for it.

The main aerodynamic (from maneuverability pow) sacrifice of stealth is a relative demise of delta canard(which is the most straightforward way to get maximum out of an unstable fbw aircraft), but it never meant that canard aircraft are the only way to do so.

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Your photos show that Tejas is a high-wing aircraft.
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Yes, Tejas design incorporates a high wing body fuselage blending implemented from behind, resulting in smooth bouncing off of searching radar waves from behind whether they are x band or l band or aesa or mechanical it does not matter. If Tejas flies low hiding its stores no airborne radar will detect it from beyond 120 kms due to 0.3 sq meter rcs (From above).

The smooth upper wing body blending of Tejas gives it enough Stealth to avoid early detection. This kind of upper body blending is only being seen in later generation fighters from sukhoi, rafale, euro fighter typhoon, F-22, PAKFA, and J-20. This high wing body blending is the hall mark of even the fifth gen fighters, reducing the corner reflections from the awacs radars searching from above resulting in lower RCS with missiles and external sores hidden under the wing.
 

Gloire_bb

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Yes, Tejas design incorporates a high wing body fuselage blending implemented from behind, resulting in smooth bouncing off of searching radar waves from behind whether they are x band or l band or aesa or mechanical it does not matter. If Tejas flies low hiding its stores no airborne radar will detect it from beyond 120 kms due to 0.3 sq meter rcs (From above).
0,3 from up-down? Tejas is a fighter aircraft, not a cruise missile.
 

Biscuits

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So after claiming 0.5 sqm now down to 0.3 sqm. gonna see next month if it will be 0.1 or 0.01 sqm.
I somehow strongly doubt these values. For once, they're miles better than Rafale and J-10C. Why would India need to spend so much to counter Pakistan's new 4.5gens when the Tejas is supposedly near peer in stealthiness with KF-21? Could just buy more Tejas, which have a more indigenous supply chain.

What are the sources for these claims anyways? There is only 1 person here repeating them and he has a posting history of confusion, not understanding very basic things.
 

Pataliputra

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I somehow strongly doubt these values. For once, they're miles better than Rafale and J-10C. Why would India need to spend so much to counter Pakistan's new 4.5gens when the Tejas is supposedly near peer in stealthiness with KF-21? Could just buy more Tejas, which have a more indigenous supply chain.

What are the sources for these claims anyways? There is only 1 person here repeating them and he has a posting history of confusion, not understanding very basic things.
India has ordered 220 Tejas, with 20 IOC and 20 FOC variants currently in service. An additional 83 jets were initially ordered, followed by another 97 Tejas MK1A. Deliveries are expected to start in a few weeks. A significant challenge lies in the Tejas' dependency on American engines. Potential fluctuations in India-US relations could impact Tejas operations if engines and spare parts aren't procured in advance. There's also the consideration that the Indian Kaveri or another engine must be ready within the next 10 years to replace the American engine, similar to how Chinese engines replaced Russian ones in the J10C.
 

Gloire_bb

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An Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEWACS) consistently observes fighter jets from an elevated position.
Yes.
Non-stealth aircraft tend to achieve anywhere near the RCS you named only from the front. Top-down projection is simply large. Tejas, in addition, doesn't seem to be treated anyhow to even control it.
Even true LO aircraft tend to be quite detectable when exposed from those large profile angles.
 

Pataliputra

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So after claiming 0.5 sqm now down to 0.3 sqm. gonna see next month if it will be 0.1 or 0.01 sqm.
RCS is not a single number, there are different types of RCS Frontal , Lateral, Rear, Azimuth, and Elevation. They measure how a target's radar signature changes based on its orientation relative to the radar.
 

Stealthflanker

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RCS is not a single number, there are different types of RCS Frontal , Lateral, Rear, Azimuth, and Elevation. They measure how a target's radar signature changes based on its orientation relative to the radar.

It's more like where did these values come from. I do RCS prediction and whenever i claim a value i will provide the source, be it literature or my own simulations. For example this is for Rafale, a comparison of RCS with and without the IFR probe.


That Tejas RCS values you mentioned, where did it come from ?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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It's more like where did these values come from. I do RCS prediction and whenever i claim a value i will provide the source, be it literature or my own simulations. For example this is for Rafale, a comparison of RCS with and without the IFR probe.


That Tejas RCS values you mentioned, where did it come from ?
His Jai Hind butt. In all frankness, I have no freaking idea why some of you esteemed and knowledgeable members of this forum tries and still willing to engage with this "Jai Hind" fella.

His rantings and ravings are no different of the countless people that share his out of this world views about India's supposed super duper capabilities on just about whatever military procurements and topics there is under the sun. None of their claims and this person included could be verified independent of their unassailable media and experts popping like weeds on various western media platforms. We have seen these types of folks insert their genius level takes on every China related topics, even daring to proclaim that their input are much needed to help alleviate China's hapless people from the grasp and iron grip of the Commies.

What am saying in my opinion is that there's nothing to be had from engaging with this fella because he's not willing to be corrected regardless on how wrong, uninformed, and overly optimistic he is specific to the supposed advantages that TEJAS have over it's competition. It would have been one thing if this person is willing to admit that he's not that well versed on areas he spews on about, but nope, he simply double, triple, and quadruple down on his points further bringing the discussion into the typical direction of any topic that involves India.
 
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