The designation of the J-20 as a fifth-generation fighter jet is a claim made by China that is not widely accepted outside the country. Currently, India has initiated mass production of the LCA Tejas MK1A, although there is a potential risk of American sanctions affecting engine supply. This risk can be minimized by proactively procuring additional engines and spare parts. India's dependency on American engines is expected to be for the next decade, during which time efforts are underway to perfect the Kaveri engine, and additional engines are anticipated to be developed domestically.
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PiSigma
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J20 is only 4th gen. So is the up and coming j35. China won't have a 5th gen for another 50 years. India only need Tejas for the next 50 years, no need for further development.
Jai Hinds truly are living in one hell of an alternate universe...
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It is widely accepted outside the country.
Not only that, but J-20 is a very obvious reason behind a crash program behind two American NGADs, and a huge effort to increase the overall a2a efficiency of the available fleet(legions; stopgap 15ex procurement; stopgap F-22 upgrade, despite their planned retirement starting within less than a decade from now).
TIL the J20 is the world's first primitive 1st gen aircraft with characteristics similar to 5th gens
steven_master
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The IaF chief also drinks cow piss
The India-specific Rafales are deemed more capable fighter jets than the J-20. The substantial cost of 400 million USD per Rafale, compared to the 90 million USD for an F-35 and 42 million USD for a Su-57, as well as the 67 million USD for the Indian-made Tejas MK1A, reflects certain reasons behind India's investment in these aircraft.
When an IAF official explicitly states that the Chinese J-20 is not recognized as a fifth-generation fighter jet and highlights the lack of an immediate need for such an aircraft, coupled with the willingness to await the development of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), there are undoubtedly specific reasons guiding this position.
In the a2a domain, they rather obviously aren't.
Rafale is an interesting and unusual (asymmetric) a2a aircraft, but because of that it always struggled to be around the 'strongest' title even among peers. Now its peer era is long gone.
Overall, your claim may have merit, because Rafale is a fully developed, all-purpose aircraft with mature capabilities everywhere; literally, the single hole in its capabilities is the lack of ARM. But for specific applications, it isn't best...probably nowhere.
If measured as omnirole and when its lack of LO isn't decisive, Rafale is indeed probably the most capable aircraft on the market right now.
Yes, more capable than current F-35.
The substantial cost per Rafale mostly means that you're supporting small rate of fully domestic production of a developed economy(with per capita GDP 20 times yours) out of your pocket, and don't even get TOT for that. The fact that the Indian economy - a rather poor developing economy, - is being openly bullied, it is nothing to be proud of.
But that's the price of buying something from a politically powerful country that isn't US or Russia.
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Did you overdose on copium? We both know that if IAF is waiting for the AMCA they are gonna be waiting for 20+ years until first prototype if they even get to a prototype in the first place which I highly doubt. Have you even seen pictures of the Tejas? They have panel gaps bigger than Teslas and some of the worst build quality I've ever seen on a modern "new" fighter jet (1970s J-7s have better build quality than this)
If such a (relatively) simple light fighter has such poor craftsmanship how on earth are you expecting India build a stealth fighter in the first place? Also Engines, radars, etc have yet to be indigenized.
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That may be, but I think this is a precursor to even deeper US-India ties. The US is too concerned about China to hold back any real moves. The US would rather see a improved Indian military using advanced US technology, than to have a faltering India military trying to build their own. That...
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