where does it says that india is producing shells for ukraine they could have been bought from a third party
Indian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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"I'd say this is more a case of soldiers bragging their swag rather than concrete indication of peak IA logistics"
I'm not exactly sure that Indian mfs in gear more diverse than a COD lobby is the result result of "loose regulations" and "swag". Because under the evidence shown in the images, there are only two possibilities for this:
1. Indian higher ups really like larping / cosplaying NATO infantry and random USN sailors (NWU-81)
OR
2. Because the original gear these supposed "special forces" got issued are so fucking bad that they had to use second-hand equipment they managed scavenge during joint training with western forces
And personally, considering there's literally a few mfs decked out in full sets of the standard down to even the MTP covered uniform (currently supplied solely to the British Army), I think the latter is slightly more likely.
So in short, from the very much concrete evidence backed by these pics, one of the most "elite" units in Indian military (PARA-SF), operating near the Chinese border / frontlines, has to rely on second hand uniforms, vests, helmets, and load equipment they likely begged from Western soldiers (British, French, Americans etc.) during joint operations, because all that the glorious Army of Bharat was able to offer them was some non ballistic Patka caps and 10-dollar ICS vests (as shown in the first image). If this isn't peak Indian logistics, I don't know what is.
The reduction of armament to just two types of rifles / calibers is an improvement, but it's likely an exception that does not reflect the rest of the Indian Army. And quit talking about nods. Apart from the Virtus (which is likely not compatible with domestically produced tubes), the rest of the helmets used are made up of a mixture of Felin, MICH, and Patka caps, which don't even have a shroud to support NVGs at all. So chances are, unless the Americans and Brits also donated nods along with the second hand shit, it's unlikely any of these SOFs have ever even seen one outside of photoshoots.
There's no point of glazing or justifying the ridiculous practices of the Indian army (which in this case, resembles more of the early 2000s Taliban than a professional fighting force), the more you glaze, the worse it gets.
I can agree with your later suggestion that issued kit is bad enough that troops supplement with non-issued acquisitions. But, "Beg" ... ? What next, they "stole" them cos it's just them?
Even in well funded, first world militaries, it's not uncommon to hear of troops having to fedex privately purchased gear to supplement lousy kit. With the incompetent bureaucracy that is the military complex the world over, one could view this to be SNAFU rather than anything unique to the IA to call out.
Also, the reasons behind this photo doesn't have to be binary? Sure it could well be that they these SF troops don't like their gear and would supplement them if they can/could. It could also well be they're actually larping it up for a fun IG day? Certainly once these photos raise enough views, someone will re-learn the invaluable lesson that you don't post shit on social media.
This photo is so wrong on so many levels that it is either a gag that went public or really really bad look at many things that are wrong with this particular unit. I'm inclined to think the former. (Hanlon's Razor)
Did they say this because of the news where Pakistan intends to procure J-31s came out?
They hope that it will work better than the TEJAS/ Kaveri project... or they will have them in 20+ years.
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The Indian Air Force chief stated that none of our neighboring countries possess a fifth-generation fighter jet. It's important to note that India shares its longest border with China, which is also its largest next door neighboring country.
So a country that has zero (yes, ZERO) 5th-gen fighters is claiming that none of its neighbors posses 5th-gen fighter jets - While the other country that has been operating not one - But TWO models of 5th-gen fighters since the mid-2000s .
But yeah, your IAF chief is definitely correct. Totally. Jai Hind!
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So India does not view China as bordering it?
Isn't it concerning that someone so high up would say something that is objectively non factual? What is the exact quote, I can't help to think something was lost in translation, such as them only saying that China doesn't have a strategically threatening border with India, which would be a smart stance to take in order to focus on local/internal Indian military actions, rather than risking the provocation of overwhelming forces from the north.
But the way you've rendered the translation makes it look like ostrich mentality, I mean outright denying the existence of a border with China isn't a good look.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
I totally agree, by Chinese counting standards, J20 is 4th gen.