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Michaelsinodef

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Why would India need permission from all these nations to sell Tejas to others? I understand your point about the American engine in Tejas, but how does having a mix of foreign weapons alongside Indian ones in Tejas pose a disadvantage?
A country buying Tejas has the freedom to select any weapons they prefer for Tejas, whether they are Indian, European, Israeli, Russian, Japanese, Korean, or from any other country.
They still need permission from said specific country.

Say if they go with Russian weapons, gotta need permission from Russia (and so on with the rest as well).
 

pevade

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Why would India need permission from all these nations to sell Tejas to others? I understand your point about the American engine in Tejas, but how does having a mix of foreign weapons alongside Indian ones in Tejas pose a disadvantage?
A country buying Tejas has the freedom to select any weapons they prefer for Tejas, whether they are Indian, European, Israeli, Russian, Japanese, Korean, or from any other country.
Thats the thing isn't it, said countries looking to purchase Tejas cannot for example get an American engine because they have poor relations with USA. Or maybe they have poor relations with Israel like Indonesia, so no Radars.
I'd like to see you sell Tejas with R-73 missiles, an Israeli radar, and an American Engine to Egypt or Brazil lmao.
The airplane is literally a bureaucratic, political and logistical nightmare in the making.
And I don't really see any prospective customers for the Tejas that has good relationship with the US and Israel who provide critical components of the jet.

Like, who are the target customers for export?

For example, if China wanted to sell the J-10C, there wouldn't be such a problem because everything is designed and made in China (engine, radar, airframe, weapons,etc . ), so no messy political negotiations necessary.
 

Pataliputra

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Thats the thing isn't it, said countries looking to purchase Tejas cannot for example get an American engine because they have poor relations with USA. Or maybe they have poor relations with Israel like Indonesia, so no Radars.
I'd like to see you sell Tejas with R-73 missiles, an Israeli radar, and an American Engine to Egypt or Brazil lmao.
The airplane is literally a bureaucratic, political and logistical nightmare in the making.
And I don't really see any prospective customers for the Tejas that has good relationship with the US and Israel who provide critical components of the jet.

Like, who are the target customers for export?

For example, if China wanted to sell the J-10C, there wouldn't be such a problem because everything is designed and made in China (engine, radar, airframe, weapons,etc . ), so no messy political negotiations necessary.
Tejas can be marketed to Egypt, offering Indian, European, and American missiles. Is there a necessity to include Israeli missiles? India, having amicable ties with various nations, including Russia and Israel, can equip Tejas with Indian, Russian, Israeli, European, and American missiles. The decision on which missiles to purchase with Tejas rests with the buying country.
 

Pataliputra

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They still need permission from said specific country.

Say if they go with Russian weapons, gotta need permission from Russia (and so on with the rest as well).
Does India have any role besides integrating the missile into the jet when a country wishes to buy a missile from Russia?
 

Pataliputra

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No country is going to buy Tejas regardless of what hypothetical missiles that could be integrated.
The issue isn't about whether someone will buy Tejas or not. The argument that Tejas cannot be sold to Egypt due to Israeli missiles, among others, is flawed. F-16s also have Israeli missiles integrated, yet they are sold to countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or Qatar.
 

Papppi

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Peak Indian logistics be like:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/18ubv3x Most sources suggests that this is a PARA-SF unit recently deployed near the Chinese border (Tibet AR). In this image alone, there's:
At least fifteen types of camo:
  • UCP
  • OCP
  • MTP
  • MC (original)
  • Turkish M2008
  • Finnish M05
  • M81 woodland
  • NWU-81
  • MARPAT (3 variations)
  • Indian PC-DPM
  • Indian PC-DPM (pink)
  • Indian PC-DC
  • Three others I cannot identify
At least six types of Helmet:
  • British Virtus
  • French Felin
  • Indian Patka
  • Indian ACH
  • MICH-2000 equivalent
  • FAST equivalent
Along with at least two dozen types of vests. It's truly impressive how they managed to collect gear from every corner of the world and diversify them to a squad sized level, something that's honestly "easier said than done"

The only surprising thing here is that they somehow managed to reduce their armaments down to only the TAR-21 and AK-203, which is definitely a solid logistical improvement over whatever zoo they had before. The fact this is also PARA-SF, one of the elite SOF units in India, shows just how bizarre things must be lower down in the conventional units

 

Heliox

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Peak Indian logistics be like:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/18ubv3x Most sources suggests that this is a PARA-SF unit recently deployed near the Chinese border (Tibet AR). In this image alone, there's:
At least fifteen types of camo:
  • UCP
  • OCP
  • MTP
  • MC (original)
  • Turkish M2008
  • Finnish M05
  • M81 woodland
  • NWU-81
  • MARPAT (3 variations)
  • Indian PC-DPM
  • Indian PC-DPM (pink)
  • Indian PC-DC
  • Three others I cannot identify
At least six types of Helmet:
  • British Virtus
  • French Felin
  • Indian Patka
  • Indian ACH
  • MICH-2000 equivalent
  • FAST equivalent
Along with at least two dozen types of vests. It's truly impressive how they managed to collect gear from every corner of the world and diversify them to a squad sized level, something that's honestly "easier said than done"

The only surprising thing here is that they somehow managed to reduce their armaments down to only the TAR-21 and AK-203, which is definitely a solid logistical improvement over whatever zoo they had before. The fact this is also PARA-SF, one of the elite SOF units in India, shows just how bizarre things must be lower down in the conventional units

My experience is that the more "elite" levels, the less standardisation of kit.

Troopers kinda wear unique kit as trophies of their unique experiences with foreign deployments and bi/multi-lateral exercises. While it's usually harder to get away with uniforms (unless out field), we often got away with patrol hats, belt kit, webbing/LBVs/plate carriers (where they fit the plates) and rucks. The one area you can't get away with, is exactly what the pictures supports, is the stuff that goes bang (and the really expensive stuff like NODs) - basically controlled items.

I'd say this is more a case of soldiers bragging their swag rather than concrete indication of peak IA logistics - Conventional line units otoh are much more rigid in their TO&E
 

Shams

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My experience is that the more "elite" levels, the less standardisation of kit.

Troopers kinda wear unique kit as trophies of their unique experiences with foreign deployments and bi/multi-lateral exercises. While it's usually harder to get away with uniforms (unless out field), we often got away with patrol hats, belt kit, webbing/LBVs/plate carriers (where they fit the plates) and rucks. The one area you can't get away with, is exactly what the pictures supports, is the stuff that goes bang (and the really expensive stuff like NODs) - basically controlled items.

I'd say this is more a case of soldiers bragging their swag rather than concrete indication of peak IA logistics - Conventional line units otoh are much more rigid in their TO&E
I will bet India's GDP on that, they had no clue about the reason you said when they wore it.
 
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