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Pataliputra said:

Year-Ender 2023: How India transitioned from defence importer to exporter

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What is this cringe ass article lol

The global demand for India's defence capabilities experienced a substantial uptick, with a notable interest in products such as LCA-Tejas, light combat helicopters, aircraft carriers, and more.

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LCA aside (which btw, ain't selling shit given the pathetic production rates that can't even meet domestic demands and the near to infinite list of diplomatic / supply problems caused by its rather "international" source of components). No one's having "notable interests" in a AH that managed to have less than 20 units produced since 2017 and whose predecessor (HAL Duruv) scored the amazing reputation of almost killing the Ecuadorian president. And yes, I'm sure India's gonna export carriers when it's own micro carrier (INS Vikrant) is still floating without planes 15 years after starting construction

According to the Defence Ministry, India is now exporting to over 85 countries, showcasing the prowess of its defence industry. Approximately 100 firms are actively exporting defence products, with major platforms including Dornier-228, 155 mm Advanced Towed Artillery Guns, Brahmos Missiles, and various other sophisticated defence systems.

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Dornier-228 is German, Brahmos is 90% Russian, and the ATAG is practically a reskinned (and worse) M-777, non of these are even being exported at scale, it's gonna be a wonder if they ever manage to deliver them in the next decade given the current production trend. And as for the rest of the "100 firms" and "sophisticated products", I'm not sure cheap plates / vests, electronic components, random vehicles, and ammo produced by small private firms are usually added on the "national export list", at least for a normal country. (If you where to apply the same metric to China, then they would be practically exporting arms to every corner of the world, including the militaries and law enforcement units in every NATO country).

The rest is unrelated ultranationalist jerk off, gave me literal brain damage

Papppi said:

What is this cringe ass article lol

LCA aside (which btw, ain't selling shit given the pathetic production rates that can't even meet domestic demands and the near to infinite list of diplomatic / supply problems caused by its rather "international" source of components). No one's having "notable interests" in a AH that managed to have less than 20 units produced since 2017 and whose predecessor (HAL Duruv) scored the amazing reputation of almost killing the Ecuadorian president. And yes, I'm sure India's gonna export carriers when it's own micro carrier (INS Vikrant) is still floating without planes 15 years after starting construction

Dornier-228 is German, Brahmos is 90% Russian, and the ATAG is practically a reskinned (and worse) M-777, non of these are even being exported at scale, it's gonna be a wonder if they ever manage to deliver them in the next decade given the current production trend. And as for the rest of the "100 firms" and "sophisticated products", I'm not sure cheap plates / vests, electronic components, random vehicles, and ammo produced by small private firms are usually added on the "national export list", at least for a normal country. (If you where to apply the same metric to China, then they would be practically exporting arms to every corner of the world, including the militaries and law enforcement units in every NATO country).

The rest is unrelated ultranationalist jerk off, gave me literal brain damage

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You should watch the mental gymnast event in X, Facebook and Reddit. You will be amazed how much routine the Indians will perform that will make your head spin, they dominate the sport with the Americans having employed Indians coming a distant second... Lol

THE Ambassador of India vowed to strengthen defense security cooperation with the Philippines as he reassured the timely delivery of a Shore-Based Anti-Ship Missile System, as part of the country's military upgrade.

Papppi said:

What is this cringe ass article lol

LCA aside (which btw, ain't selling shit given the pathetic production rates that can't even meet domestic demands and the near to infinite list of diplomatic / supply problems caused by its rather "international" source of components). No one's having "notable interests" in a AH that managed to have less than 20 units produced since 2017 and whose predecessor (HAL Duruv) scored the amazing reputation of almost killing the Ecuadorian president. And yes, I'm sure India's gonna export carriers when it's own micro carrier (INS Vikrant) is still floating without planes 15 years after starting construction

Dornier-228 is German, Brahmos is 90% Russian, and the ATAG is practically a reskinned (and worse) M-777, non of these are even being exported at scale, it's gonna be a wonder if they ever manage to deliver them in the next decade given the current production trend. And as for the rest of the "100 firms" and "sophisticated products", I'm not sure cheap plates / vests, electronic components, random vehicles, and ammo produced by small private firms are usually added on the "national export list", at least for a normal country. (If you where to apply the same metric to China, then they would be practically exporting arms to every corner of the world, including the militaries and law enforcement units in every NATO country).

The rest is unrelated ultranationalist jerk off, gave me literal brain damage

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Of the 7 HAL Duruv they had 4 crashed. 57% failure rate. They cancelled all further orders and grounded the fleet and tried selling them off.

pevade said:

Of the 7 HAL Duruv they had 4 crashed. 57% failure rate. They cancelled all further orders and grounded the fleet and tried selling them off.

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That's not worst part, from the Indian media's own words: "Four of the seven Dhruv helicopters delivered to Ecuador between 2009 and 2012 have crashed. One was assigned to transport President Rafael Correa, though he was not in the aircraft at the time".
The helo was on election transportation duty at the time (delivering the president) and if the mechanical malfunction had happened a slight while later, it would have killed the Ecuadorian head of state

Pataliputra said:

India has been manufacturing fighter jets since the 1960s. It was the first country in Asia to conceive, create, and introduce an indigenous fighter jet. This jet, named HF-24 Marut, was also the world's first supersonic fighter jet. However, due to the unavailability of a suitable engine, the project was abandoned. Subsequently, India initiated the development of the Kaveri engine and the Tejas aircraft.
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I hope you appreciate the irony of replying to post critiquing India's practice of setting overly ambitious goals and failing to achieve them with an example of India setting overly ambitious goals and failing to achieve them.

gelgoog said:

The article claims the Sig Sauer 716 was cheaper than the AK-203 (yeah right totally believable). That each Sig cost Rs 72,782 vs Rs 86,000 for each AK-203 built in India. But then it claims the second purchase of the Sig rifles cost Rs 115,069 each. So which one was supposed to be cheaper?

The article author seems to be unaware that it always costs more to build a small amount of rifles yourself with a license than just buy them from the manufacturer. You have to pay for a new factory, instead of using one that is already amortized. But if India wants to equip its whole army and wants a reliable supply, of course they need their own factory.

As for his claims that it would be impossible to have a rifle with multiple calibers by changing the gun barrel, well that is basically what the AK-200 series is. You have 5.56x45mm NATO (AK-201) and 7.62x39mm Soviet (AK-203) with minimal changes.

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Bigger question
If India is using AK-203, then they are chambered in 7.62x39mm?
INSAS is currently using 5.56, and Sig 716 is 7.62x51mm?
Does this mean India is fielding 3 different front line rifles in 3 different calibres?

As for the gun barrel thing, there is also the SCAR, but if this is the situation, I think they are imagining a gun that can magically change calibres, not a gun family for manufacturing. Impossible requests are par for the course for the Indian military.

News coming that single-engine fighter jets might be excluded from participating in MMRCA 2.0 as the Tejas MK1A and MK2 fulfill the Indian Air Force's need for single-engine aircraft.

Jason_ said:

I hope you appreciate the irony of replying to post critiquing India's practice of setting overly ambitious goals and failing to achieve them with an example of India setting overly ambitious goals and failing to achieve them.

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India lacks indigenous military turbofan engine technology primarily because it's readily available in the global market. However, if India were to face sanctions, the country has shown the capability to develop such technology internally, as evidenced by the development of cryogenic engines and nuclear submarines after previous sanctions. Unlike these technologies, military turbofan engines are readily available for purchase globally.

The cost of developing a GE F404 engine could amount to around 10 billion USD, equivalent to the cost of purchasing approximately 1000 such engines. Hence, instead of investing billions in developing the Kaveri engine, the Indian government chooses to procure extra engines in advance, considering the cost-effectiveness of this approach.

Pataliputra said:

News coming that single-engine fighter jets might be excluded from participating in MMRCA 2.0 as the Tejas MK1A and MK2 fulfill the Indian Air Force's need for single-engine aircraft.

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So no Gripen (IMO anyway political impossible since too close to the Tejas), no F-16 … and leaves only additional Rafales and the F/A-18 as contenders?

by the way … additional issues: