India Oxygen Equipment Donation

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PiSigma

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TBH, I'll point out that both here and in CDF, this is sort of a test to see what kind of response I'd get. I understand that both CDF and SDF are very nationalistic, and I don't actually have a significant expectation that I'd see much donation from either community. On the other hand, it lets me know what people's true colors are and help me understand Chinese nationalist opinion as well.

The situation in India is basically a tiling of Wuhans (i.e, bodies being burnt on the street and so on, overrun hospitals). It's a major humanitarian tragedy in a third-world shithole, the thought that should be going on in your mind is that "it could have been us". In fact, it's precisely what the Americans and so on were hoping would have happened in China, except that it happened to their new Quad ally instead and is probably going to destabilize India.

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As to the attitude of helping your enemy; when you are weak, you do everything possible to sabotage your enemy. When you are at parity, mercy and kindness is at a premium. When you are strong, on the other hand, your enemies look like children, pet animals, or whatever.

That is to say, India, with the COVID-19 disaster, has shown that it's weak and mostly harmless. While the US can potentially build up India, it's not that different from building up the KMT during the Chinese Civil War; India is apparently so corrupt and incompetent that American efforts to support India are effectively money sinks.

And when the other party is weak, it's actually possible to show kindness and toleration. You are actually demonstrating strength because by helping India, what you are also saying is that "India is no threat to us", and that despite the Indian rhetoric, hatred, and racism (I've met Indian ethnic minorities who describe the Hindu majority as defined by hates), you can help them out at no threat to you because they're not a threat to begin with.

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Reading Indian comments on Chinese offers of aid, you see a lot of people complaining because they view being helped by China as a sort of humiliation if they have to accept aid from a stated enemy. But, put it another way, the Indians require 200k oxygen concentrators, or around 60 million in aid, and a capacity that's probably one that the Chinese oxygen concentrator industry can entirely fulfill, so it's basically only the Chinese that can bail them out fully on short time. I'd argue it's a nationalistic act for Chinese to bail out the Indians, especially if China ends up profiting from bailing them out.
I don't think you need this "test" to know what we here think of India and Indians in general. It's pretty obvious the rare times we do think of them it is pretty low.

Once again, we know you are Indian because you are repeating Indian propaganda on Wuhan. Bodies being burned on the street? Lol that's only in India. China have crematorium for bodies, more hygienic and controlled environment. Also not that many people died in Wuhan that people just burn bodies everywhere. You know, China is a land with laws and regulations.

If India put as much effort into their internal problems as bashing China, they won't need China to gift them anything.

I also don't remember anyone in the world helping China out in February last year, so I don't see a point of returning a gesture that didn't exist in the first place.
 

Inst

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I don't think you need this "test" to know what we here think of India and Indians in general. It's pretty obvious the rare times we do think of them it is pretty low.

Once again, we know you are Indian because you are repeating Indian propaganda on Wuhan. Bodies being burned on the street? Lol that's only in India. China have crematorium for bodies, more hygienic and controlled environment. Also not that many people died in Wuhan that people just burn bodies everywhere. You know, China is a land with laws and regulations.

If India put as much effort into their internal problems as bashing China, they won't need China to gift them anything.

I also don't remember anyone in the world helping China out in February last year, so I don't see a point of returning a gesture that didn't exist in the first place.
我不是印度人。外公活的时候是中国共产党员。亲戚当过官,解放军,外交部。
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
我不是印度人。外公活的时候是中国共产党员。亲戚当过官,解放军,外交部。
I'm glad you know how to use Google translate. No Chinese will ever say 中国共产党员, they just say 党员, because there is no other party. And no one will say when alive was a member, the party is atheist, they don't expect service in the afterlife. And the 2nd sentence is not something people fluent in Chinese says.

Anyway, I don't care if you are Indian or not, I'm just stating my position on it.
 

Inst

Captain
I'm glad you know how to use Google translate. No Chinese will ever say 中国共产党员, they just say 党员, because there is no other party. And no one will say when alive was a member, the party is atheist, they don't expect service in the afterlife. And the 2nd sentence is not something people fluent in Chinese says.

Anyway, I don't care if you are Indian or not, I'm just stating my position on it.
I made sure he was buried in the flag of the CPC. It's a pitiful story, really.

We've always been internationally oriented; he was educated in the Soviet Union before the shit when south. We had Uighurs doing post-grad work in Japan. Ironically, the nationalist hatred I've seen with him is more oriented toward Japan, whereas I think politics is politics and should be handled without venom.

As I've said before, I don't expect India to be friendly toward China as a result of Chinese aid, but I think it's the right thing to do. And if you want to be properly Chinese (even though Hofstadter's analyses don't say it's the case anymore), you can think on the long-term. If I'm acting for Sino-Indian relations, it's on the 100 year span, and honestly, it's the 100 year span where India matters to China. In the short-term, everything will look like shit.

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And no, I'm not fluent in Chinese. One of the relatives did likely did intelligence work against India in '62. He was stationed in Tibet then, and I've mentioned the fact when I've patronized Tibetan-owned businesses outside China.
 
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voyager1

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No need to prove your status, country, loyalty etc.

Just post whatever you want, dont troll, dont provoke, dont break rules and everything is ok
 

hashtagpls

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Adopting the mentality of Mearsheimer and other anglo and Indian “realists”, particularly Modi and Jaishankar, the hobbling of India's economy and health with covid is a net boon as it neutralises the use of India as a useful idiot by the anglo led Quad.
 

lgnxz

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Would literally burn my money rather than give it to dying indians. I'm sure the vast majority of indians feel the same way about Chinese people.
The only correct take in this whole thread. What's going on here, just few months ago people mourn and angry of the PLA soldiers killed by them and now suddenly a complete 180 turn into a thread about how we should be a bleeding-heart liberal for the indians???

Go donate to pakistan, iran (especially iran is also experiencing a similar very high tick on cases, but I guess no special sticky thread for them huh :rolleyes: ), the pandemic isn't over in the other countries either, you know, there are many countries that would greatly appreciate our help AND would actually utilize the help better given the fiasco is caused by the classic and timeless tales of indian's character; their overconfidence coupled with utter incompetence.
One hopes that decision-makers in China have more wisdom and greater vision than some of the more belligerent and embittered posters here.
One should expect same reciprocity from the indian' side lest the benevolence that you gave become fruitless. Helping indians now are just basically rewarding bad behaviors. How would china's actual allies like pakistan see from the kind of signal the chinese government is doing right now? Same goes for the other adversaries, you basically can treat china however you want without any drawback?

And finally for real please don't sticky this thread, there is no reason why india should be put on such a special pedestal, I suggest the mods to rethink this and if they really want to help with COVID donation and stuffs then just make a thread about donating in general while also maintaining the neutrality, not targeted to any country, especially to a country that's openly hostile to china jeez..
 

AssassinsMace

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I don't donate to anyone because I'm cynical. Any organized donation program takes money for themselves for so-called "administrative costs" and don't be surprised it could be 90% of what's donated. And that's in the US where they're supposed to have the biggest hearts of everyone. Just remember the Sichuan earthquake. Did the world donate? No because the Western media was taunting how no one was donating except for Western corporations who were only in it for PR and not regular people from their hearts as they did for the tsunami relief in Southeast Asia meaning they're laughing how regular people look at Chinese as less in general therefore not worthy to help. They didn't seem concerned how their pleasure at Chinese suffering might look to the Chinese people. The Chinese government offered help and then was rejected from India. Nothing else needs to be done.
 
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