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I heard from news (Taiwan) that China offer to help but India turns to the west who only help them with mouths.
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I heard from news (Taiwan) that China offer to help but India turns to the west who only help them with mouths.
coolieno99
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I hate to say it, but I believe you have wasted $100 for 2 reasons. One is the donation will be squandered by one of the most corrupt government in the world. Maybe $1 will get to actually helping the sick. Second is many indians don't like China even though they received aids from her. Go to YouTube, and read the Indian comments on indian channels. One said he rather died than receive aid from China. We should accommodate his wish by giving them nothing. Jai hind.
This is run by a private company, one that Alibaba almost invested 250 million in before relations went sour.
If I wanted to waste money on India, I'd go to the PM Cares Fund, which Indians complain is Modi's private slush fund masked as coronavirus relief.
Second, the point of it is that it's the right thing to do, not that it has to be productive. In reality, there are many open-minded Indians who might even be Sinophiles. The problem is that India, as a whole, is a relatively undereducated society with many absolute idiots. Funny thing is, Modi has weakened significantly because of Coronavirus. Helping private firms supplant Modi as the source of intervention regarding COVID-19 is extremely effective at weakening the present Indian government.
I wont waste money on donating to India, who have smeared and attacked China at every opportunity. My funds are limited and there are plenty other people and worthy causes in the world to donate to. However I dun care if others donate though. Just like to see where these people at when Indians continue to bash china and talk shit if China is suffering. Will the very same people speak up for China or pretend it's all fine and dandy
Lethe
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This attitude is poisonous and destructive. There are disagreements and tensions between China and India, but to describe India as China's enemy is not only to overstate the case, but more importantly it also ignores and works to foreclose the possibility of change, of cooperation and reconciliation.
America's greatest successes in the world, namely the integration of Japan and western Europe into a geoeconomic system over which it is suzerain, came about because America was wise enough to perceive that the prosperity of America was bound up in the prosperity of others, including former enemies and strategic competitors, and that it was to America's advantage to enhance their welfare even at material cost to themselves (see: trade policies that enabled the rebirth of Japan). Contrarily, America's greatest failure in the modern era -- the failure to prevent the re-emergence of Russia as a strategic competitor -- came about because America's more narrow-minded instincts triumphed and, rather than embracing Russia, treating it as a nation worthy of respect, working to enhance its welfare and assuage its insecurities, it saw Russia as a weak nation that could be ignored, belittled, threatened and exploited without consequence.
video is an example of the United States being kind to its enemies. In the midst of the Cold War, the Americans conducted a funeral service for the Soviet sailors they recovered from the wreck of submarine K-129 according to their best understanding of Soviet traditions, including the use of the Soviet national anthem. China would do well to emulate the spirit of such actions, and indeed I am confident that decision-makers in China do see further and more clearly than those in this thread and elsewhere who are blinded by nationalist hatreds.
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On the one hand, nothing wrong with this post, and frankly I have no issue with it being stickied.
From a general humanitarian point of view, this is very much laudable.
On the other hand, the post coming from the user in question and choice of posting it here specifically, does not strike me as one whose primary intention is to innocently encourage donations or goodwill.
From a general humanitarian point of view, this is very much laudable.
On the other hand, the post coming from the user in question and choice of posting it here specifically, does not strike me as one whose primary intention is to innocently encourage donations or goodwill.
Feel free to donate. Indians will continue to shit on you. There are plenty of other people in the world who need help
In fairness, I'm sure such people in China are out there, just the kind of people who'd post such things prob don't go far past the Great Firewall imho. Or just censored. At least they aren't in power anyway, I can only shudder in thought of a China run by such ppl.
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That you're comparing defeated nations dependent on America for protection from the Soviet Union to an emergent India hellbent on surpassing China at any cost is preposterous.
Like your video, I have no problem with China giving token gestures of goodwill at no real cost to itself.
What I have a problem with is the thread starter trying to guilt Chinese diaspora into giving money to people who want the absolute worst for them. No indian is going to acknowledge this kind gesture and frankly, they don't even want help from you "dirty ch1nks."
TBH, I'll point out that both here and in CDF, this is sort of a test to see what kind of response I'd get. I understand that both CDF and SDF are very nationalistic, and I don't actually have a significant expectation that I'd see much donation from either community. On the other hand, it lets me know what people's true colors are and help me understand Chinese nationalist opinion as well.
The situation in India is basically a tiling of Wuhans (i.e, bodies being burnt on the street and so on, overrun hospitals). It's a major humanitarian tragedy in a third-world shithole, the thought that should be going on in your mind is that "it could have been us". In fact, it's precisely what the Americans and so on were hoping would have happened in China, except that it happened to their new Quad ally instead and is probably going to destabilize India.
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As to the attitude of helping your enemy; when you are weak, you do everything possible to sabotage your enemy. When you are at parity, mercy and kindness is at a premium. When you are strong, on the other hand, your enemies look like children, pet animals, or whatever.
That is to say, India, with the COVID-19 disaster, has shown that it's weak and mostly harmless. While the US can potentially build up India, it's not that different from building up the KMT during the Chinese Civil War; India is apparently so corrupt and incompetent that American efforts to support India are effectively money sinks.
And when the other party is weak, it's actually possible to show kindness and toleration. You are actually demonstrating strength because by helping India, what you are also saying is that "India is no threat to us", and that despite the Indian rhetoric, hatred, and racism (I've met Indian ethnic minorities who describe the Hindu majority as defined by hates), you can help them out at no threat to you because they're not a threat to begin with.
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Reading Indian comments on Chinese offers of aid, you see a lot of people complaining because they view being helped by China as a sort of humiliation if they have to accept aid from a stated enemy. But, put it another way, the Indians require 200k oxygen concentrators, or around 60 million in aid, and a capacity that's probably one that the Chinese oxygen concentrator industry can entirely fulfill, so it's basically only the Chinese that can bail them out fully on short time. I'd argue it's a nationalistic act for Chinese to bail out the Indians, especially if China ends up profiting from bailing them out.
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