hmm, the original S-300 missile 5v55 was 7m, the missile for upgraded S-300 48N-6E is 7.5m and 50 cm wide.
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hmm, the original S-300 missile 5v55 was 7m, the missile for upgraded S-300 48N-6E is 7.5m and 50 cm wide.
I'm no expert on the PLAN and on how they conduct business. But in that picture of the missile being loaded are those civillians or PLAN sailors loading the missile? And why would weapons be loaded on a ship that appears to be in the shipyard???? That is not exactly the safest way to load weapons. To many hazzards on board a ship under going a re-fit.
Perhaps it is a inert/practice missile and is being used for a practice loading drill.
Like I said they just do things differently.
Perhaps it is a inert/practice missile and is being used for a practice loading drill.
Like I said they just do things differently.
perhaps, the book only mentions one meassures, and those under the SA-N-6 Grumble...
Mainly I need to throw the HHQ-9 statics to the set
Mainly I need to throw the HHQ-9 statics to the set
Meanwhile, here is what I had in mind for a cruiser (Very big):
Displacement: >11,500 tones loaded
Length: ~175 m
Beam:~20+m
I am thinking of a Trimaran design, with a SWATH/submarine hull in the central hull shaped similar to that of the Song and Agosta subs, while the side hulls are to be of wave piercing design.
Propulsion: Either Nuclear or conventional turbine, latter likely?
This will be the command ship, and is to have all necessary equipment for C4I
Aegis Style AESA/PAR paneling (the 2 aft panels possiblt located further back.)
Hull mounted Sonar, towed/VDS
Weapons:
2 universial VLSs back and back totalling 140 launchers would be used for (this is 1 way of fit)
80 HQ-9s
40 PL-9/HQ-7s/HHQ-16s (Whatever it may turn out to be) four to a launcher
15 ASROC missiles (CY-2?)
25 LACMs (HN-3?)
YJ-62/YJ-8X ASMs capable
4 x 4-cel YJ-62 SSM
4 x Type 730/LD-2000 ADGMS
2 x 155mm main gun, 1 front, 1 aft
2 x tri torpedo launcher (2X324+533mm?)
2 x (273mm/300mm) MLRS system
4 x 25mm guns
6 x 12.7mm HMG
D/C Mortar
Depth Charge/Mine
Water cannons
2-4 search lights
Submarine ROV
6 dinghies
3 heavy/5 light helicopters
UAV capable
Onboard hospital.
(Maybe)Extra complement for 100.
Displacement: >11,500 tones loaded
Length: ~175 m
Beam:~20+m
I am thinking of a Trimaran design, with a SWATH/submarine hull in the central hull shaped similar to that of the Song and Agosta subs, while the side hulls are to be of wave piercing design.
Propulsion: Either Nuclear or conventional turbine, latter likely?
This will be the command ship, and is to have all necessary equipment for C4I
Aegis Style AESA/PAR paneling (the 2 aft panels possiblt located further back.)
Hull mounted Sonar, towed/VDS
Weapons:
2 universial VLSs back and back totalling 140 launchers would be used for (this is 1 way of fit)
80 HQ-9s
40 PL-9/HQ-7s/HHQ-16s (Whatever it may turn out to be) four to a launcher
15 ASROC missiles (CY-2?)
25 LACMs (HN-3?)
YJ-62/YJ-8X ASMs capable
4 x 4-cel YJ-62 SSM
4 x Type 730/LD-2000 ADGMS
2 x 155mm main gun, 1 front, 1 aft
2 x tri torpedo launcher (2X324+533mm?)
2 x (273mm/300mm) MLRS system
4 x 25mm guns
6 x 12.7mm HMG
D/C Mortar
Depth Charge/Mine
Water cannons
2-4 search lights
Submarine ROV
6 dinghies
3 heavy/5 light helicopters
UAV capable
Onboard hospital.
(Maybe)Extra complement for 100.
This ship is like the Yamato. Add everything you want on to it size and productability be damned. If you actually managed to get one of these into service, it would probably be pretty fearsome but it would also be vunerable like the Kirov. It is simply to big. If you're going to build a ship like that just build a small carrier; you'll get the same amount of offensive hitting power (if not more) if give it the capability operate fixed wing aircraft and will make your entire force much more survivable and delployable.
Well, since ships, like European "frigates" continue to increase in displacement, I see this as nothing in particular. What I had in mind was an air defence-focused ship with light (like humanitarian missions or "Vietnams") transporting capabilities.
I guess you can take out the HMGs and depth charges, though they probably account for less than 2 tonnes, pretty little.
Do you think the hangar is too big?
The things on there that might seem an overall would be the 140 cell VLS, hospital and complement(Yes, probably should take this out.), and maybe the MLRS.
I guess you can take out the HMGs and depth charges, though they probably account for less than 2 tonnes, pretty little.
Do you think the hangar is too big?
The things on there that might seem an overall would be the 140 cell VLS, hospital and complement(Yes, probably should take this out.), and maybe the MLRS.
Who's in on collaborating to refine this monstor of a concept:
About 200m long and 35m wide, but only 12,000t due to slender trimaran hulls.
There are four hangers (!) and the engines (CODAG) exhaust between the hulls/underwater giving it a very low IR sig.
Although I favour the S-400, the heavy SAMs could easily be 48xHQ-9 and the medium SAMs could be 48 Shtil or PL-12 derived.
About 200m long and 35m wide, but only 12,000t due to slender trimaran hulls.
There are four hangers (!) and the engines (CODAG) exhaust between the hulls/underwater giving it a very low IR sig.
Although I favour the S-400, the heavy SAMs could easily be 48xHQ-9 and the medium SAMs could be 48 Shtil or PL-12 derived.
I sometimes wonder if there's realy a need for those 76mm guns on those ships today. I mean with medium/close in SAMs and CIWS guns there should be enough and more suitable layers of air-defence. And I think those ships are not build to fit in the kind of ASuW these guns could offer.
Instead you could use the space for AK-730s more to the front of the ship or a Club VLS. Or perhaps launchers for small BMs (only some miles range) to carry a lightweight torpedo.
And another idea to reduce hanger hight (if it makes sense). Make the hangerfloor an/four different elevator(s). You can lift it up so that it's just on the level of the aft helipad. Now the hanger is just as high as the helicopter (or anything else) it has to accommodate. To work there the elevator floor is lowered 1-2 meters to have enough space.
Or would incorporating that cost more space than it would save ?
Instead you could use the space for AK-730s more to the front of the ship or a Club VLS. Or perhaps launchers for small BMs (only some miles range) to carry a lightweight torpedo.
And another idea to reduce hanger hight (if it makes sense). Make the hangerfloor an/four different elevator(s). You can lift it up so that it's just on the level of the aft helipad. Now the hanger is just as high as the helicopter (or anything else) it has to accommodate. To work there the elevator floor is lowered 1-2 meters to have enough space.
Or would incorporating that cost more space than it would save ?