Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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Thanks Brumby

1200! that some committee!

I think I may have asked the wrong question in that case.
Maybe you can help me with the method by which the selection committee is appointed?

Broad based election across 35 sub sectors of HK electing 1044 members. The rest comes from nomination of special interest groups. That was in 2011. Not sure whether there would be changes leading to 2017 CE election as the nomination committee election precedes the CE election.
 

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They are sitting there and then attackers showed up and beat them up. Don't you try to justify violence and sexual harassment with me. 1st lesson of learning to keep your hands to yourself.

And please spare me the self righteous indignation.
Your protesters have hardly been whiter than white.

All through I see the gameplay of colour revolution 101

Confront, demand, provoke, condemn and deny. On this occasion masked by the innocence and immaturity of the kids leading the protest, but following a more subtle guiding hand.

The presence in places like Causeway and Mong Kok is a provocation to local residents and nothing else. Why would a political campaign aimed the local political elite seek to at antagonise the blue collars and small businessmen in purely commercial/retail districts? There are no Political facilities in these areas, there are no legitimate targets for political protest there.

I suspect that the offer of talks were made on the assumption that the HKGov would reject it. The acceptance came as a nasty surprise and nearly killed the protests as the majority upped sticks and went home. The organisers needed a "provocation" to get the numbers back and manufactured one. It also gave them the excuse to back out of talks, accuse everybody else of being a Beijing stooge and generally blame everything on everybody else.

Some people have asked about the end game. Well I think that is pretty obvious. Sooner or later the protesters will denounce the HKGov and its various organs are no longer "legitimate" and set themselves up as the "alternative and legitimate" government of HK. They will of course ask their friends across the waters to recognise them as legitimate.

Seems as though the BBC and similar organs have made up their minds on this already anyway.

As I said Colour Revolution 101.

Broad based election across 35 sub sectors of HK electing 1044 members. The rest comes from nomination of special interest groups. That was in 2011. Not sure whether there would be changes leading to 2017 CE election as the nomination committee election precedes the CE election.

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I thought that was the HK legislative body? Is it the same body or a different one using similar method and composition?
 
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And please spare me the self righteous indignation..

Unless you are on the streets in HK and see what's happening, and know what HK has gone through the past few years, don't start with me. You lost me at that already. You know nothing about what's happening in HK, end of story.

I didn't even read the rest of your post.
 
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Unless you are on the streets in HK and see what's happening, and know what HK has gone through the past few years, don't start with me. You lost me at that already. You know nothing about what's happening in HK, end of story.

I didn't even read the rest of your post.

Oh I see, so I nor anyone else; not on the streets or agreeing with your position, has any legitimate right to comment or complain?

Is this the version of Democracy you are protesting for?

I believe the 70 member Legco. comes from the 1200 grouping.

In which case, it sounds as though the selection committee already has a pretty broad and democratic base to be able to introduce a fairly wide range of candidates.

Silly question, but do the protest leaders actually have a concrete proposition for amendments to this structure before 2017?
 
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Oh I see, so I nor anyone else; not on the streets or agreeing with your position, has any legitimate right to comment or complain?

Is this the version of Democracy you are protesting for?

Forgive me, but I have a major allergy that provokes quite a reaction when it comes to listening to people who:

1. aren't involved
2. minimal knowledge of the situation
3. do not understand the perspectives of those primary actors and refuses to
4. very quick concluding judgements
5. then refusal to listen to what others have to say when they tried to share or explain things
6. all the while thinking they are right
7. have a condescending attitude.
8. very quick cynic view of others


My patience runs short for those kinds.
 

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In which case, it sounds as though the selection committee already has a pretty broad and democratic base to be able to introduce a fairly wide range of candidates.

Silly question, but do the protest leaders actually have a concrete proposition for amendments to this structure before 2017?

On paper but the argument from the other camp is that the 35 sub sectors are essentially commerce based and tend to be attentive to Beijing's preference. I believe there is a push to broaden the sectors from which to elect the committee members so that it is more in line with the principle of broad representation as promised in the Basic Law.

I think the movement is pushing for a broader base truly representing HK and change to the 50 % requirement which is already approved by NPC but not ratified by Legco. If Legco. fails to pass the change then by default it reverts to status quo which is CE election by the 1200 member committee and hence no universal suffrage. I think the general view of the pro democracy camp is that no universal suffrage is better than a sham.
 

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Angry protesters confront each other in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district, Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014 in Hong Kong. Clashes broke out Friday as Hong Kong residents and pro-Beijing supporters tried to force pro-democracy activists from the streets they were occupying, reviving the possibility that the weeklong standoff could turn violent despite and attempt by the city's leader to defuse the situation. (AP Photo/Wong Maye-E)
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Pro-democracy student protesters cover themselves with plastic to keep off the rain during a standoff with local residents in Mong Kok, Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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A protester rests on a street during a rally outside government headquarters one day after protesters were threatened by residents and pro-Beijing supporters in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014 in Hong Kong. Police arrested 19 people, some believed to have organized crime ties, during a night of running brawls stretching into Saturday as mobs tried to drive pro-democracy protesters from the streets where they've held a weeklong, largely peaceful demonstration. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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A pro-democracy protesters cry after a scuffle with anti-Occupy Central protesters, as they try to remove a barricade at a main street at Hong Kong's Mongkok shopping district October 4, 2014. Fresh scuffles broke out on Saturday between Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters and opponents of the week-long demonstrations, reigniting concerns that the Chinese-controlled city's worst unrest in decades could take a violent turn. The protests have been largely peaceful since police last Sunday fired tear gas at crowds demanding Beijing grant Hong Kong the unfettered right to choose its own leader. But the mood turned ugly on Friday at the most volatile protest site, in the teeming suburb of Mong Kok where some criminal gangs are suspected to be based. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

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Anti-Occupy Central protesters try to remove a barricade at a main street at Hong Kong's Mongkok shopping district October 4, 2014.

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Local residents antagonize pro-democracy student protesters in Mong Kok, Hong Kong, early Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014. Pushing and yelling, hundreds of Hong Kong residents tried to force pro-democracy activists from the streets they were occupying Friday as tensions rose in the weeklong protests that have shut down parts of the city. (AP Photo/Wally Santana)

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A pro-democracy protester (R) argues with an anti-Occupy Central protester at a main street at Hong Kong's Mongkok shopping district October 4, 2014.

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Local police take a man away from the confrontation of pro-democracy student protesters and angry local residents in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district, Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014 in Hong Kong.
 

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I think these photos show well enough that these anti-OC people are mostly ordinary citizens. They are not all thugs. That's only the minority.

Also, I've been browsing through some HK forums as well. Many of the comments there were very intense and extreme. Some even called the central government and the PLA to step in and restore social order. Many others call the students and protesters "selfish" and "infringe upon their normal lives". Many others were saying, "not everyone is so privileged like you guys who do not have to worry about food on the table and other necessities, and not everyone is so patient and well-mannered."

I assure you this isn't just a few that I saw. These are the majority on that thread, and thread has about over a hundred pages of comments. I browsed using my phone and screenshoted the comments but my phone is now charging. I'll upload the screenshots as soon as my phone is back.

Edit: I found the thread link. Those who can read Chinese can go and take a look.

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