Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

airsuperiority said:

Another piece from a website:

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And did you just say "no one in this protest is antagonizing mainlanders"?

I wouldn't disagree if you say the theme or main demands of the protesters were not about antagonizing mainlanders. It would also be fair to say that many that participated or supported OC do not hold extreme views in antagonizing mainlanders. But please be careful when using phrases like "no one" as no political movement is pure, at least not in the real world. Antagonizing view towards mainlanders was one of the reasons many stepped out during OC, and this was reflected by the piece you quoted. Since you're from HK, I guess you won't need me to remind you how popular these highly antagonizing views were on places like HKGOLDEN (the source of your quote).

For those who can read Chinese, I recommend two threads of relatively rational discussions to learn about:

Why some HKers do not agree with OC or their demands:


How some Chinese from the mainland understands Hong Kong's predicament:


Sorry for English readers but I don't have time to translate the large amount of posts. Maybe if I have time later I can bring over some key points, if anyone is curious.

xiabonan said:

A few days ago when I was on Chinese forums all that I've seen is people assuming this whole OC thing is "US backed, a US conspiracy to disgrace the Chinese government and to make us look bad"

Tonight as the anti-OC people started to show up, as soon as they show up I see Western journalists posting on Twitter that this is "thugs hired by the CCP to make OC movement look bad and to discredit the movement"

Seriously, what's wrong with people? Can some people actually grow a brain and stop just assuming stupid stuff like these without concrete evidence?

They blame each other, but to me these two mentalities are one and the same--ugly to the core.

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to be honest, there are 2 situations:

1. there are pictures surfacing of someone advertising whoever does the job gets paid depending on the damage they did

2. the police are barely making any arrests, and some even just arrest the protestors instead and let the gangs go on.

i have lost all confidence in the hk police starting last night. we don't have police anymore. this city is corrupted.

superdog said:

And did you just say "no one in this protest is antagonizing mainlanders"?

I wouldn't disagree if you say the theme or main demands of the protesters were not about antagonizing mainlanders. It would also be fair to say that many that participated or supported OC do not hold extreme views in antagonizing mainlanders. But please be careful when using phrases like "no one" as no political movement is pure, at least not in the real world. Antagonizing view towards mainlanders was one of the reasons many stepped out during OC, and this was reflected by the piece you quoted. Since you're from HK, I guess you won't need me to remind you how popular these highly antagonizing views were on places like HKGOLDEN (the source of your quote).

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yea i have never used hkgolden for those reasons essentially. it's full of immature kids. i dont agree with the labeling used in that statement. in fact, i didnt really want to translate those, but i thought for a moment and wondered if it's only proper i translate its original meaning, or self-censor those things i deemed undesirables. for me, i only take away the meanings discussed

and you heard what happened last night right? this city is done for

Brumby said:

If this is happening on the ground, we are seeing a shift into the next phase of the protest. In a way this should be expecting and anticipating planned disruption. If they are organised I would not be surprised they are off uniform trained personnel. As Putin puts it, being on leave they just happen to walk off base.

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they're mostly thugs. they went as a huge group all wearing caps and masks. there are no concrete evidence that CCP did it, but the cops are standing by.

whatever happens, let's not forget these victims are high school students. that's why i cant accept people treating them like that

Equation said:

This happens in ANY country rich or poor. I believe the CPC are more capable and more consistent of handling any of these problems. Just look at how fast they rebuilt an entire cities after the 2008 earthquake and the hundreds of millions they uplifted from extreme poverty. NO other democracy or communist government will EVER match that.

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Yes but the three items I listed - food safety issues, environmental pollution issues, safe and authentic products, are extremely important deliverables that have languished for a long time. They are issues critical enough to bring down any country. If the CPC can address these, they will remain for a very long time. Singapore's an authoritarian state on many levels but they address those three items which transcend politics.

airsuperiority said:

they're mostly thugs. they went as a huge group all wearing caps and masks. there are no concrete evidence that CCP did it, but the cops are standing by.

whatever happens, let's not forget these victims are high school students. that's why i cant accept people treating them like that

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Show us the photo's of those "thugs" as you describe them. From the pictures above I don't see anyone wearing caps or masks. They are just locals fed up with these protesters blocking their street and hurting their business.

airsuperiority said:

they're mostly thugs. they went as a huge group all wearing caps and masks. there are no concrete evidence that CCP did it, but the cops are standing by.

whatever happens, let's not forget these victims are high school students. that's why i cant accept people treating them like that

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you gotta be a lil careful there, once you are on the street, all bets are off, everybody gets treated equally.

students should not be on the street in the first place, they are not even old enough to vote, which means they are not old enough to be trusted to have a mature political opinion.

getready said:

From the pics I saw on Chinese websites, There are secondary school students in the protest. I mean SECONDARY school students. Wtf! I think naive, clueless and hot headed best describes them. To be used in this manner instead of staying in school, I mean, do your parents proud, mate.

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Just so you know, they were first in the street last week to protest the decision, and they were encouraged by their parents, many of whom didn't support the OC. It's also when this group was peppersprayed did the OC movement picked up major heat

pla101prc said:

i wouldnt be so quick to jump to conclusions. if i were a business owner in HK, i'd probably support the movement, just not in my front yard lol. students dont appreciate the importance of making money and feeding kids as much, so it is natural that these kinds of misunderstandings happen.

I wonder if there is a squre in in HK anywhere like Tiananmen square or Maidan, maybe the students can just camp out ther.

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honestly i had totally no problems with anti-OC. at one point i feel OC is sorta a waste of time, and that was a few months back. and a lot of people who took the streets were anti-OC too. in fact, even a lot of the parents of those protestors are anti-OC. we all just sorta changed our stances after watching police brutality towards high school students. and believe me, being in a defence forum there's no way i won't know what hk has is the most mellow of everything out there. however the issue is that hk has been so stable, the last time these things are used on people were from the 60s, so naturally it's considered "rough" for a society that hasn't experienced things like this for so long. second, we're talking about high school students being rough-handled. this part is what gets me the most because it's one thing if you're dealing with a less vulnerable group, but this group are still young and things.

anyways, i had no problems with people being anti or pro-OC, but i feel violence is unacceptable for either side. i also doubt the attackers are normal pro-OC folks neither. i mean, who would try to touch female students, or go that insane and keep on smashing things? i mean, would you stay for a long time to hurt people and wreck things and stuffs? you probably won't once your anger has subsided right?


and yes originally there's an area they wanted to go to, but the police condoned the area off few days ago. this is literally why people are in the streets. the HKSAR gov't forced the people into the streets by refusing the premise for them.