if that was the case, then guess what? should have publicly demanded the goverment to provide a safe and less disruptive space for the protest to go on. but instead the leaders walked away and refused to talk. like i mentioned a couple of posts ago, these guys are incapable of leading such movements. these are very good indicators that things will become violent so if anybody really care about kids, then now is the time to get the kids off the street. if they refused to go, then unfortunately its all fair game from here.
Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....
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if that was the case, then guess what? should have publicly demanded the goverment to provide a safe and less disruptive space for the protest to go on. but instead the leaders walked away and refused to talk. like i mentioned a couple of posts ago, these guys are incapable of leading such movements. these are very good indicators that things will become violent so if anybody really care about kids, then now is the time to get the kids off the street. if they refused to go, then unfortunately its all fair game from here.
Miragedriver
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Re: Chinese Daily Photos 2014!
'umbrella revolution'
A student protester gets emotional while pleading for a peaceful resolution to the pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong
Picture: AP Photo/Wong Maye-E
Hong Kong student leaders on Friday said they had called off talks with the government after angry scuffles erupted at their huge pro-democracy demonstrations, saying police had allowed "triad" criminal gangs to attack their protest camps. The Hong Kong Federation of Students (HKFS) said it had "no other option but to call off the talks", aimed at bringing an end to days of massive demonstrations, after "the government and police today turned a blind eye to violent acts by the triads targeting peaceful Occupy protesters".
I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
'umbrella revolution'
A student protester gets emotional while pleading for a peaceful resolution to the pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong
Picture: AP Photo/Wong Maye-E
Hong Kong student leaders on Friday said they had called off talks with the government after angry scuffles erupted at their huge pro-democracy demonstrations, saying police had allowed "triad" criminal gangs to attack their protest camps. The Hong Kong Federation of Students (HKFS) said it had "no other option but to call off the talks", aimed at bringing an end to days of massive demonstrations, after "the government and police today turned a blind eye to violent acts by the triads targeting peaceful Occupy protesters".
I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
I thought the city was corrupted since the middle of the 19th century.
airsuperiority
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i had a video of it.
The video link above is solid proof. Although not all are wearing caps, they are all wearing masks. They showed up in one group and started vandalism. The police only sometimes pull them back, but never making actual meaningful actions when it's obvious this group is trying to start trouble. It doesn't take much for people on the side to see this group of people are trying to start trouble, so should officers who are trained, supposed to allow this to happen?
HK has no more police. Just biased enforcement organization.
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反佔中人士下午起在旺角打人搗亂，其中一名打人男子，被市民協助交給警員帶走，但有市民尾隨發現警員最後竟 將疑犯送到旺角道搭的士，即時包圍的士阻止，又有人爬上車頭，並高呼：「我望住佢打人，唔好畀 佢走！」
警員在群眾壓力下，將該男子帶返旺角警署，現時約有近百名市民圍堵警署，批評警員執法不公。
An attacker was captured by the citizens and delivered to the police, but then the citizens saw the police bringing him to a taxi, so they all surrounded him.
After a while the police finally took him back to the police station.
And I have video evidence of this one.
下午三時許，大批反佔中人士殺入銅鑼灣集會現場，並企圖拆走上址的鐵馬。其間，反佔中人士中的一名穿紫衫的 男子，突然擠上前，抱着一名少女的大脾不放，少女嚇得大叫非禮，集會人士見狀即上前阻止。紫衫男索性瞓地， 捉實鐵馬腳不放，在場警員勸喻時，更作狀嚎哭，大叫：「我就來餓死，我一家人幸福就來冇！」
圍觀人士繼續指斥他非禮，擾攘一番，最終被警員帶上警車，而懷疑被非禮的少女，上了另一部警車，一同回警署 助查。現場有人指紫衫男是銅鑼灣鵝頸橋，以避風塘船炒蟹聞名的喜記老闆。記者即刻去喜記查詢，有員工確認相 中的紫衫男是該店老闆。根據喜記公司網站，創辦人叫廖喜，有「蟹王」稱號。
[video=youtube;muWhN4mcsv0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muWhN4mcsv0#t=61[/video]
superdog
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When you occupy some place without legal permission and disrupt the daily lives of everyone in the area (whether they support you or not), you cannot expect that no force will ever be used to remove the occupation. You may argue that your cause justify the cost, but you don't have legal or moral immunity against physical action imposed by the authorities, which you may call violence. The above is true regardless if the occupation itself is violent or non-violent, or how old the participants were.
Granted, this doesn't mean the authorities should use as much force as they want, or that other civilian factions have the right to use violence when they disagree. I'm also not saying that any occupy X movement is inherently wrong, because sometimes the cause do justify the cost, depending on the person justifying it. They just need to be realistic and be prepared to take responsibility for the consequences. People should not fall for the idea that "I'm not violent so if anyone touches me it is always their fault". I'm mentioning this because it has been a popular thought among people's opinions.
At a glance, it seems like Beijing's choice to be hands off in its approach is working for them, and some public opinion is turning against OC. I think if any western media calling them CCP paid or whatever are revealing ther biases unless they can come up with some solid evidence. It would be nice if the anti OC crowd are able to remain non violent, but if they are made up of small businesses, i can understand how they might feel having their livelihoods disrupted. The fact that Beijing did not use violence or even excess non lethal means (as in some western countries) there is no "moral outrage" for the outlying population to gather around.
Let's just hope there isn't too much violence between OC and anti OC, depending on how large the latter is.
Let's just hope there isn't too much violence between OC and anti OC, depending on how large the latter is.
airsuperiority
Captain
I will take a moment to think about the last sentence. I understand the disruptions is gonna anger people, but when you have thugs smashing people, touching female students, then police doing minimal about it. if they do arrest them, some are released again after. don't you know how disappointed i am with the police right now? i forgave them on 9/28, 9/29, but i lost all hopes on them, and you must understand im the type who had been supporting the police and believed they are just. we grew up learning to respect the police and they are righteous, and that's from since the days of kindergarten in hong kong. i don't believe in it anymore. they are permitting thugs not just in mk, but cwb too. the hk police should not expect they can ever fix their image again.
i don't know where you stand man, but you have no idea how disappointed i feel right now. our city is dead.
airsuperiority
Captain
The anti-OC crowd isn't made up of legitimate small business people. The video link up there shows a group of youths with masks smashing things. And to believe anti-OC crowd does things like these means these anti-OC people are violent and barbaric, which will not make sense because they are supposively just normal HK folks, and normal HK public wouldn't/shouldn't go to THAT extremes of continuous physical attacks on students.
No matter how frustrated one can be, I don't see continuous physical attacks and beatings on students as something a normal citizen would do. I mean, would you beat literally start people beating people up on and on?
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
If the students delayed talks after demanding it, it reminds of Occupy Wall Street. They were protesting against the loss of freedom yet in some cities the protestors were regulating who the media can talk to in the crowd of protestors. They didn't know what they were there for in the first place. They're bragging this was a leaderless movement? I have my own thoughts on why it's a "leaderless" movement but it just goes to show that demanding a meeting was expected not to be answered so they can use that as propaganda. Now that a meeting has been granted, the delay is because of too many chefs in the kitchen arguing.
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