Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

vesicles said:

from the latest photos in our Chinese Daily Photo thread, it looks like the HK locals do not like the OC movement. It seems obvious to me that the locals are very angry with the protesters. Having these protesters blocking the streets, which disrupts normal life, may be one reason, but there might be something else that makes the locals become so angry with the protesters. It seems to me that there is also some kind of internal conflict between the OC protesters and the HK locals, based on these photos as well as what happened in the subway as described by Xiabonan in the post above. Can someone explain?

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xiabonan said:

I'm seeing some interesting things on Facebook and Twitter.

The OC students were publicizing about their ideas on a subway train and were told to be quiet by the other passengers.

Some HKers who stand against OC were called "50 cents" and "dogs of CCP", needless to say, they are very very angry now.

Imagine how would these OCers feel if they're called "dogs of US".

My stand is that safety should always come first. Some are already injured. Hope the police can control the situation well enough and that normal order can be re-established soon.

I fully support movements in the spirit of freedom and democracy--but they shouldn't infringe upon others' freedom.

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vesicles said:

from the latest photos in our Chinese Daily Photo thread, it looks like the HK locals do not like the OC movement. It seems obvious to me that the locals are very angry with the protesters. Having these protesters blocking the streets, which disrupts normal life, may be one reason, but there might be something else that makes the locals become so angry with the protesters. It seems to me that there is also some kind of internal conflict between the OC protesters and the HK locals, based on these photos as well as what happened in the subway as described by Xiabonan in the post above. Can someone explain?

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A pro-democracy student protester tries to negotiate with angry locals trying to remove the barricades blocking streets in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014. Hong Kong protest leaders on Friday welcomed an offer by the territory's leader of talks to defuse the crisis over demonstrations seeking democratic reforms, though they continued to demand he resign and maintained barricades around government headquarters, frustrating staff going to work. (AP Photo/Wally Santana)

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A police guards over a pro-democracy student protester who collapsed during scuffles with locals trying to remove the barricades blocking local streets in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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A pro-democracy student protester, left, argues with angry locals trying to remove the barricades blocking local streets in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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Angry locals confront pro-democracy student protesters demanding they remove the barricades blocking local streets in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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A pro-democracy student protester argues with angry locals trying to remove the barricades blocking streets in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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A pro-democracy protester is taken away by police officers as an ambulance tries to leave the compound of the chief executive office in Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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Residents and pro-Beijing supporters tear down a pro-democracy activist tent in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014 in Hong Kong. Clashes broke out Friday as Hong Kong residents and pro-Beijing supporters tried to force pro-democracy activists from the streets they were occupying, reviving the possibility that the weeklong standoff could turn violent despite and attempt by the city's leader to defuse the situation. (AP Photo/Wong Maye-E) The Associated Press

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A pro-democracy student protester, left, is pressed by angry locals trying to remove the barricades blocking streets in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014. Hong Kong protest leaders on Friday welcomed an offer by the territory's leader of talks to defuse the crisis over demonstrations seeking democratic reforms, though they continued to demand he resign and maintained barricades around government headquarters, frustrating staff going to work. (AP Photo/Wally Santana)

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A resident and pro-Beijing supporter shouts at pro-democracy activists in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014 in Hong Kong. (AP Photo/Wong Maye-E)

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A local policeman falls after a scuffle with residents and pro-Beijing supporters in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014 in Hong Kong.

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Pro-democracy student protesters scuffle with police as an ambulance tries to leave the compound of the chief executive office in Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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Riot police try to hold back scuffling pro-democracy protesters as an ambulance tries to leave the compound of the chief executive office in Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014. (AP Photo/Wally Santana)

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Riot police try to hold back protesters as an ambulance tries to leave the compound of the chief executive office in Hong Kong, Friday, Oct. 3, 2014.

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shen said:

Pretty obvious, the protestors are mostly middle class students who don't have to worry about making a living. They are blocking valuable business districts preventing numerous working people from making a living. Take Mong Kok for example, thousands of tiny stores crammed into each block. These businesses have a very small margin. They still have pay very high rent but can't do any business because the protestors barricaded the areas and chased away all the tourists. It has been a week, these small business people just can't afford to be closed up any longer.

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bd popeye said:

Here are the photos...

There has been zero news on Xinhua, english.news.cn. about the demonstrations in Hong Kong..NONE!

These photos I found on Yahoo and the San Diego Union Tribune. In my opinion these photos represent the hostility everyone involved that is occurring in Hong Kong.

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Zool said:

.....The problem in my view is the context in which I see and hear these issues being raised. In each case it is always linked back to mainland immigrants or visitors etc as the root cause, and the view that a HK Government accountable to Beijing, cannot deal with the above issues or do so in a way that would be found acceptable. But what policy changes would a OC minded Government put in place that would solve their problems? Restrict Immigration of Mainlanders to HK? Restrict the purchase of Land and Investment in local business to Hong Kongese first (or only)? I think these are the concerns mainlanders and Beijing have when they see this type of event in the context of past and present rhetoric within HK. ..

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bd popeye said:

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joshuatree said:

This......is the main problem. The politics is more of a symptom than a root cause. The influx of Mainlanders whether just shopping or immigrating has eroded the quality of life in HK. The money coming in does not trickle down to the majority of the population. It's not so much an argument to restrict Mainlanders from coming to HK but what is lacking on the mainland itself - reliable and accountable measures to prevent food safety issues, environmental pollution issues, safe and authentic products. That alone would reduce the pressures on HK. And it isn't about the selfishness of HKer's. If they can't buy baby formula easily or now have to pay double, triple the prices, of course they will get upset. Reverse the situation and I will guarantee Mainlanders will react in the same manner, it's a human reaction.

Just look at the replies in this forum, there's so much finger pointing and name calling between pro this or pro that. Such divide won't help the matter.

Honestly, if Beijing cannot clean up the corruption, they will head down the same path that they like to mock of the old dynasties and of the Nationalists. If everyone has a high standard of living, politics is a secondary issue. Protests in China is just as common as HK over quality of life issues too, wage increases in Guangzhou, unwanted factories that would produce a lot of pollution, tainted water supplies, etc etc.

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