cn_habs
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The protesters aren't so peaceful after all as they charged at the police with their umbrellas and tried to push in the barriers.
Idiots.
Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....
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The protesters aren't so peaceful after all as they charged at the police with their umbrellas and tried to push in the barriers.
Idiots.
Brumby
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I agree. This is purely an academic discussion in response to such an idea of housing temporary detainees off base.
Jura The idiot
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AssassinsMace
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It was probably completely on the hope the West would do something. That's why Beijing should do nothing. Everything these activist have done since 1997 has been short-sighted.
When they vilify Mainlanders don't expect sympathy. Not sure if it was in one the articles above but I read that mainland Chinese in Hong Kong are being told by their families back home to stay inside because they fear they will be a target for violence. Looks peaceful so far but those fears of being targeted are a result of all the Mainland bashing. So if this isn't about hating Mainlanders well then using that as a tactic was short-sighted.
Brumby
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It is important that the OC movement and students don't cross the line i.e. forced occupation of government offices. That will not go down well in my mind.
I think the movement needs to have a plan B. Too much emphasis is placed on the issue of filtered candidates. I do agree that the current official proposal is too lop sided to reflect genuine universal suffrage. Rather than focussing on the problem, the energy should be focussed on working out acceptable solutions that can move the issue forward. The process is enshrined within the Basic Law and so any solution has to be found within that framework. There are two areas that directly affect the outcome : (i) Legco. elections and (ii) method in selecting candidates by Legco.
Plan B in my view includes the following :
(i) 2017 CE election methodology has come and gone. Politics on both sides would suggest changes at this stage is untenable. The protest has carried a message. If there is no build up of support from the general population, then it is time to call it a day and use whatever residual momentum to focus on 2022.
(ii) Part of the de-escalation demand should be securing agreement towards setting up a body to negotiate candidate nomination within Legco. from current method. For example, rather than meeting percentage terms, a fairer system is that the highest votes of the top three candidates as nominated by Legco. gets on to the list. It would be a one vote per committee member of the 1200 member body.
(iii) Have a top 3 or 5 list of economic issues that need addressing being considered by the government. If policy changes are agreed, then CY is not the problem it is just execution. Getting CY fired may be a sense of satisfaction, it doesn't deal with the perceived economic problems.
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That wasn't my understanding from my reading of the text but your interpretation is plausible. Thanks for pointing it out.
airsuperiority
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First of all, having this thread been opened again, I decided I won't respond to any previous things that members have said prior to the closure. I'm going to keep moving forward with what's happening, but I decided I'm not gonna put as many photos and links, if any, as before because no offence, but I've lost the passion to share anything. I am very disappointed with this forum when racisms at some point has been used, not to mention calls by members to tell locals there to leave if they can't handle it, and using strange techniques to criticize my semantics rather than the actual point. Not only some members did not attempt to understand the situation from the local's perspectives, but even advocate for the rough handling of protestors and displacement of those who can't accept their conditions. Let's not forget they lived there for generations. They lived there and have their frustrations. Instead of attempting to listen and understand, the judgement is from being an outside who does not exactly understand the situation on the ground. How would you feel if the exact words you have said to the people there are one day said back to you?
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I will say, that no one in this protest is antagonizing mainlanders. It's all about domestic politics.
The tactic, yes, can be considered short-sighted, but it's for a long-term cause. The major issues leading up to today's protest stemmed from the ineptness and bias of the HKSAR government to handle all sorts of issues these few years. And for everyone here who don't understand what's been happening, I can say, I had witnessed the build-up of public anger in the recent years, and last year the burn was also inflicted on the police. What was inflicted on the police was originally targetted at the HKSAR government. All the inflicting is very unfortunate and wrong for those in HK who hold these views.
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I will say, that no one in this protest is antagonizing mainlanders. It's all about domestic politics.
The tactic, yes, can be considered short-sighted, but it's for a long-term cause. The major issues leading up to today's protest stemmed from the ineptness and bias of the HKSAR government to handle all sorts of issues these few years. And for everyone here who don't understand what's been happening, I can say, I had witnessed the build-up of public anger in the recent years, and last year the burn was also inflicted on the police. What was inflicted on the police was originally targetted at the HKSAR government. All the inflicting is very unfortunate and wrong for those in HK who hold these views.
airsuperiority
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For those who says it's all economic reason blahblahblah,
Let's see how many of the things mentioned here do you know:
[video=youtube;-nBGMD4ZxmA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nBGMD4ZxmA&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Honestly, unless you think you know what most of those things are, I don't think you're ready to conclude what or why they want direct election or pretend you know it all. Even I don't know a few of these.
Let's see how many of the things mentioned here do you know:
[video=youtube;-nBGMD4ZxmA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nBGMD4ZxmA&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Honestly, unless you think you know what most of those things are, I don't think you're ready to conclude what or why they want direct election or pretend you know it all. Even I don't know a few of these.
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I would generally summarise the second part as a deterioration of enforcement of regulations in HK towards protected special interest group out of fear of offending their patron up in the north. Unfortunately this is how business is conducted there and why corruption is so rampant. Those who toe the line are protected and receive economic benefits.
A directly elected CE might mitigate some of these issues but Beijing's hand will still be all over the HK political landscape. That is the reality.
A directly elected CE might mitigate some of these issues but Beijing's hand will still be all over the HK political landscape. That is the reality.
airsuperiority
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yea. also i dont think direct elections solve everything but its a start... at least ppl can be legitimately ousted from power. Once double-election happens, everyone from LegCo should be removed
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