Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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plawolf

plawolf

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Brumby said:
I don't think the facts are disputed that HK is part of China and any attempts to argue from outside that premise is just a fruitless proposition and a distraction. I suggest we spend less time on this.

Are you serious on these ideas or are you making them up as you write i.e. busing them to Mainland jail and getting in mainland riot police?

Under the one country two systems arrangement, internal security is HK's jurisdiction. There are laws that need to be followed on how things are done. Such suggestions in my view are undermining the very Basic Laws that Beijing is trying so hard to uphold. It is both unlawful and counter to Beijing's own position on managing HK internal affairs.
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I don't see how holding them in mainland jails until the HK courts can hear their case breaks any laws if HK runs out of jail cells.

To suggest that they are tried in mainland courts under mainland laws would breach Bejing's commitments under the basic law, but that is not what I am suggesting.
 
Doombreed

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AssassinsMace said:
Now you're changing what you said? How convenient. You included people overseas recognize Hong Kongers from Chinese. Two Hong Kong women being called "chink" at random different times by the British on the streets says otherwise. When Edward Snowden was in Hong Kong, critics were calling Hong Kong "communist China."
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Not changing. Elaborating. Or in laymen's term. Spelling it out for you. Since you appear to have issues understanding my point.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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Doombreed said:
Not changing. Elaborating. Or in laymen's term. Spelling it out for you. Since you appear to have issues understanding my point.
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No need to elaborate. It's pretty clear you said people from overseas recognize Hong Kongers from Chinese. I gave you an example of how you are wrong. In fact most overseas people can't tell the difference let alone tell the difference between other Far East nationalities.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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airsuperiority said:
I never generalized mainlanders. I was referring to rude Chinese individuals who committed those things.

and yes, hypocrites shouldn't try to call out on others when the hypocrite has been exposed for being wrong and making hypocritical statements multiple times. I exposed your hypocrisy before for generalizing statements then attempting to call others out, but you're back at it. I guess some people just never learn. before you attempt to call out on others, I suggest you look in the mirror and your attitude. you say such insensitive things on things and people you don't know about, I wonder what makes you think you think you have the right to call out on others when you already fail at what you preach, through your intolerance, bigotry, insensitivity. I even tried to explain things but you like to stick to your thoughts. and what have you done for anything? all you have been saying is stirring up emotions and condemnation ? you just keep on your bashful remarks on your complete limited knowledge on hk then to try and judge people like you know it all, not to mention you spun what Blackstone said, then attempted to read my mind at one point. check you attitude

dont forgot you said it before, people who are hypocrites shouldn't talk.
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And you've perpetuated generalizing long ago. I never had a problem with you until your offensive generalizing of mainlanders. You're the only one in here that brought up Hong Kong long before. I give people a taste of their own medicine. So if you think I'm a bigot and a racist, it's because you're a bigot and a racist. I'm intentionally following your own logic. That's always been my tactic. Sometimes the only way you can communicate with someone is to speak in their own language. See you see how it's wrong for me to do that. That's the first step. Now are you capable of empathy and can you recognize that you're doing it too?
 
plawolf

plawolf

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Brumby said:
Please expend on procedurally how that can happen within the framework of the law.
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Are you serious?

If you really want to start nit picking about procedural issues, then technically, if HK protestors were transferred to mainland jails pending hearing of their case in HK courts because of a lack of space in HK cells, the onus would be on you, the defence, to prove a breech of the law or the perps' rights to prevent the prisoner transfer, not for the authorities to justify that they can transfer prisoners so.

So how about you please expend on what you think, procedurally, would make such a temporary prisoner transfer and holding arrangement illegal or unconstitutional?
 
shen

shen

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Brumby said:
That is a type of reasoning that opens up so many holes in logic that it is very difficult to defend if people want to poke at it. I would not go there if I were you.
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Why shouldn't we go there? Is it blasphemy to question democracy? Why don't you do some poking and I'll try to poke back :)
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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shen said:
Why shouldn't we go there? Is it blasphemy to question democracy? Why don't you do some poking and I'll try to poke back :)
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Well there are people who make excuses for the British denying democracy. Look at how they wanted to get rid of Hugo Chavez who was elected in a democracy. They weren't so beholden to democracy when the election didn't pick the one they wanted to win. So it's pretty disingenuous to hold out democracy when it only suits their purpose.
 
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