Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

airsuperiority said:

being racist now eh? just because actions of a few you use it to generalize everyone, even me, who didn't do any of those.

you had just reaffirmed why calling you out for bigotry is correct, not to mention racism.

bigots calling people out on hypocrisy? how funny
Ohh and you dont even know hk and yet you can say they don't have their own culture? what an insensitive, uneducated, ignorant statement

if you had proven anything, you have just proven what you are

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You mean like how you generalize about mainlanders? Pretty hypocritical. Maybe you don't see it with your elitist eyes.

Mr T said:

Yeah, when Hong Kong was first occupied there was no universal suffrage in the UK - why was it going to be offered to a colony on the opposite side of the world? Of course as time went on, there were elections and reforms. But the city remained a remote colony that needed a governor.

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But, what about 1960, 1970, 1980, and 1990? To claim Hong Kong's a "remote colony" works in the 19th and periods of the 20th Century, but not after the widespread use of commercial jetliners.

Is Hong Kong really a remote colony to Beijing that it can't exert any influence over without deciding who goes on the ballot? Come off it, Hong Kong isn't just on China's doorstep it's part of China. Beijing has plenty of influence over Hong Kong without having to try to limit the choice the voters have.

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Before you clamor for democratic reforms in China, consider the fact all "developed" nations of the world completed economic development before taking on massive social and democratic reforms. India and post-Soviet Russia did it the other way around and were epic fails. Given the overwhelming evidence against democratic reforms before completing economic development, why do you think it's a good idea for China to use the India model, instead of the US model? Before you answer that, consider United Kingdom didn't have universal suffrage till 1994.

AssassinsMace said:

Why don't you read his post again. Unless I'm mistaken and you're pro-Hitler.

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Where did Brumby say he is pro-Hitler? Show us his quote, in context.

AssassinsMace said:

I had some friends who were in Great Britain. They hung out with some women they met who were from Hong Kong. On a number of occasions someone on the street would scream out at them, "Chink!" You're wrong. BTW, my friends weren't Asian. So who do you think they were referring to?

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Self identity. Self. Just because some Chav tell can't the difference between Chinese, Korean, and Hong Konger, doesn't mean Hong Kong don't have it's own unique and well established Self Identity.

plawolf said:

Hong King is Chinese territory. End of.

If anyone is unhappy with that fact, they should just pack up and go somewhere else and never come back and everybody will be happier for it.

If you accept that Hong Kong is Chinese territory, you will need to learn how to get results in the Chinese political system. To try and change China itself is egotastical and arrogant for a city of 7m who seem to pride themselves on being different from mainland Chinese.

The first rule of getting things done in China is that you will never be able to strong arm the central government. The more you try to pressure Beijing, worse, the more you try to play up to foreigners to try to pressure Beijing, the less time China's leaders will have for your grievance, and the more likely they will stand against what you want on general principle.

China has moved on since 89. There is simply no need to send in the tanks any more since China has the full range of civil anti-mass riot tools and institutions needed to break up this protest.

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I don't think the facts are disputed that HK is part of China and any attempts to argue from outside that premise is just a fruitless proposition and a distraction. I suggest we spend less time on this.

plawolf said:

One of the less ridiculous suggestions is that there isn't enough jail cells in HK if Beijing wanted to simply throw the lot of them behind bars until they sobered up. But if needs be, Beijing could simply arrest protestors and bus them across the pond and house them in mainland jails at President Xi's pleasure until each and every one of them can have their day in court. For people who seems almost allergic to anything to do with the mainland, that should serve as a strong disincentive to try Beijing's patients too much.
Similarly, mainland riot police could be bused over at a moment's notice to break this party up, just as western countries have national anti-riot units that are deployed wherever they are needed.

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Are you serious on these ideas or are you making them up as you write i.e. busing them to Mainland jail and getting in mainland riot police?

Under the one country two systems arrangement, internal security is HK's jurisdiction. There are laws that need to be followed on how things are done. Such suggestions in my view are undermining the very Basic Laws that Beijing is trying so hard to uphold. It is both unlawful and counter to Beijing's own position on managing HK internal affairs.

Blackstone said:

Where did Brumby say he is pro-Hitler? Show us his quote, in context.

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Just a reminder that oxygen is precious.

Doombreed said:

Self identity. Self. Just because some Chav tell can't the difference between Chinese, Korean, and Hong Konger, doesn't mean Hong Kong don't have it's own unique and well established Self Identity.

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Now you're changing what you said? How convenient. You included people overseas recognize Hong Kongers from Chinese. Two Hong Kong women being called "chink" at random different times by the British on the streets says otherwise. When Edward Snowden was in Hong Kong, critics were calling Hong Kong "communist China."

AssassinsMace said:

You mean like how you generalize about mainlanders? Pretty hypocritical. Maybe you don't see it with your elitist eyes.

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I never generalized mainlanders. I was referring to rude Chinese individuals who committed those things.

and yes, hypocrites shouldn't try to call out on others when the hypocrite has been exposed for being wrong and making hypocritical statements multiple times. I exposed your hypocrisy before for generalizing statements then attempting to call others out, but you're back at it. I guess some people just never learn. before you attempt to call out on others, I suggest you look in the mirror and your attitude. you say such insensitive things on things and people you don't know about, I wonder what makes you think you think you have the right to call out on others when you already fail at what you preach, through your intolerance, bigotry, insensitivity. I even tried to explain things but you like to stick to your thoughts. and what have you done for anything? all you have been saying is stirring up emotions and condemnation ? you just keep on your bashful remarks on your complete limited knowledge on hk then to try and judge people like you know it all, not to mention you spun what Blackstone said, then attempted to read my mind at one point. check you attitude

dont forgot you said it before, people who are hypocrites shouldn't talk.

Blackstone said:

Where did Brumby say he is pro-Hitler? Show us his quote, in context.

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Learn to read. Brumby knows what I'm talking about.

plawolf said:

Hong King is Chinese territory. End of.

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Spoken with such authority. Does borders never change in your mind?

plawolf said:

If you accept that Hong Kong is Chinese territory, you will need to learn how to get results in the Chinese political system.

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What if you're not getting the results you want? Roll over and stick your bum up? "Would you Quintus? Would I?"

plawolf said:

The first rule of getting things done in China is that you will never be able to strong arm the central government. The more you try to pressure Beijing, worse, the more you try to play up to foreigners to try to pressure Beijing, the less time China's leaders will have for your grievance, and the more likely they will stand against what you want on general principle.

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This is not something you should be proud about.

plawolf said:

China has moved on since 89. There is simply no need to send in the tanks any more since China has the full range of civil anti-mass riot tools and institutions needed to break up this protest.

Western journalists love to create non-existent BS reasons why Beijing cannot break up those protests as peaceably as any western nation would with a similar display on their own territory, but that's just make believe.

One of the less ridiculous suggestions is that there isn't enough jail cells in HK if Beijing wanted to simply throw the lot of them behind bars until they sobered up. But if needs be, Beijing could simply arrest protestors and bus them across the pond and house them in mainland jails at President Xi's pleasure until each and every one of them can have their day in court. For people who seems almost allergic to anything to do with the mainland, that should serve as a strong disincentive to try Beijing's patients too much.

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Is that a threat? Sounds like a threat to me.

plawolf said:

Similarly, mainland riot police could be bused over at a moment's notice to break this party up, just as western countries have national anti-riot units that are deployed wherever they are needed.

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That would be a baaaaaad look. HKer feel occupied as it is. That will only galvanisethe population.

plawolf said:

If the protestors think that Bejing is holding back because of how bad it will look if it is forced to use force to clear them out, they are deluding themselves. Sure roit squads being deployed will indeed look back, but nowhere near as bad enough to stay Beijing's hand.

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So your solution is more oppression?