wait i am not sure i follow you there, so Britain is not obligated to institute universal suffrage in HK because it is too far?
Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....
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wait i am not sure i follow you there, so Britain is not obligated to institute universal suffrage in HK because it is too far?
AssassinsMace
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I love that logic. So you excused inequity under British rule because there was no universal suffrage in Great Britain at the time? Well then by your logic there's no democracy in China therefore Hong Kong deserves no democracy. Why do you think you can change it now when the British never bothered to change it when they embraced democracy? The fact is your excuses for British denial of democracy proves you don't believe in true democracy. I bet every dictator in the history of the world believed in all the freedoms the West supposedly champions... for themselves. And you've just proved you're no different from any dictator because they too believe it for themselves but no one else.
What you just did is called spin. Your excuses on why it's different means nothing if you actually believed in democracy. The only reason why you would deny democracy is because you would lose your colony. And that's no different from the communist mentality. And if Great Britain was so great they would have given true democracy before they found out China wasn't going to give them an extension. If China did grant an extension, Great Britain would've continued with the same absolute British dictatorship as usual that's been in place for the 150 years before that. I already know why Great Britain was afraid to grant democracy even late in game. It's because there were some actual Hong Kongers with true integrity that challenged the British. During the handover there was a news story on American TV about two Hong Kong brothers that when they were kids in school were sent to prison for two years without due process and a trial in the 1960s just because they protested the truth not the lie be taught in school about how Hong Kong was acquired by the British.
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shen
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NED should be designated a terrorist organization. Activities funded by NED over the years definitely caused more death than Al Qaeda.
AssassinsMace
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I had some friends who were in Great Britain. They hung out with some women they met who were from Hong Kong. On a number of occasions someone on the street would scream out at them, "Chink!" You're wrong. BTW, my friends weren't Asian. So who do you think they were referring to?
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Engineer
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You can't not care about fallacies and then be rational at the same time, because both actions are mutually exclusive. And you were not just advising another member to be careful. You were also advising him to dismiss the article completely, and multiple long-time posters voiced their concern with that.
Posting pictures showing people doing good is not a form of fallacy. However, doing so to appeal to emotion of others for political support meets the very definition of fallacy. No assumption is necessary on my part. And let's not kid ourselves that people would share a viewpoint that they dislike on Facebook.
That's an ad hominem fallacy. You know that, right? You have no idea what mine or the background of other forum members is, and yet you kept on charging us that we don't understand. Unlike your claim, I understand perfectly. You are not the only forum member who was born in Hong Kong, you know? So who's the one making assumption?
If I were you, I would take a few days off the Internet.
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plawolf
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Hong King is Chinese territory. End of.
If anyone is unhappy with that fact, they should just pack up and go somewhere else and never come back and everybody will be happier for it.
If you accept that Hong Kong is Chinese territory, you will need to learn how to get results in the Chinese political system. To try and change China itself is egotastical and arrogant for a city of 7m who seem to pride themselves on being different from mainland Chinese.
The first rule of getting things done in China is that you will never be able to strong arm the central government. The more you try to pressure Beijing, worse, the more you try to play up to foreigners to try to pressure Beijing, the less time China's leaders will have for your grievance, and the more likely they will stand against what you want on general principle.
China has moved on since 89. There is simply no need to send in the tanks any more since China has the full range of civil anti-mass riot tools and institutions needed to break up this protest.
Western journalists love to create non-existent BS reasons why Beijing cannot break up those protests as peaceably as any western nation would with a similar display on their own territory, but that's just make believe.
One of the less ridiculous suggestions is that there isn't enough jail cells in HK if Beijing wanted to simply throw the lot of them behind bars until they sobered up. But if needs be, Beijing could simply arrest protestors and bus them across the pond and house them in mainland jails at President Xi's pleasure until each and every one of them can have their day in court. For people who seems almost allergic to anything to do with the mainland, that should serve as a strong disincentive to try Beijing's patients too much.
Similarly, mainland riot police could be bused over at a moment's notice to break this party up, just as western countries have national anti-riot units that are deployed wherever they are needed.
If the protestors think that Bejing is holding back because of how bad it will look if it is forced to use force to clear them out, they are deluding themselves. Sure roit squads being deployed will indeed look back, but nowhere near as bad enough to stay Beijing's hand.
So for the sakes of our HK friends, I hope reason preveils and they start using their heads as well as their hearts.
Rein in your emotion and use your considerable intellect to give yourselves the best chance of getting what you want rather than get thrown into the drunk tank.
If anyone is unhappy with that fact, they should just pack up and go somewhere else and never come back and everybody will be happier for it.
If you accept that Hong Kong is Chinese territory, you will need to learn how to get results in the Chinese political system. To try and change China itself is egotastical and arrogant for a city of 7m who seem to pride themselves on being different from mainland Chinese.
The first rule of getting things done in China is that you will never be able to strong arm the central government. The more you try to pressure Beijing, worse, the more you try to play up to foreigners to try to pressure Beijing, the less time China's leaders will have for your grievance, and the more likely they will stand against what you want on general principle.
China has moved on since 89. There is simply no need to send in the tanks any more since China has the full range of civil anti-mass riot tools and institutions needed to break up this protest.
Western journalists love to create non-existent BS reasons why Beijing cannot break up those protests as peaceably as any western nation would with a similar display on their own territory, but that's just make believe.
One of the less ridiculous suggestions is that there isn't enough jail cells in HK if Beijing wanted to simply throw the lot of them behind bars until they sobered up. But if needs be, Beijing could simply arrest protestors and bus them across the pond and house them in mainland jails at President Xi's pleasure until each and every one of them can have their day in court. For people who seems almost allergic to anything to do with the mainland, that should serve as a strong disincentive to try Beijing's patients too much.
Similarly, mainland riot police could be bused over at a moment's notice to break this party up, just as western countries have national anti-riot units that are deployed wherever they are needed.
If the protestors think that Bejing is holding back because of how bad it will look if it is forced to use force to clear them out, they are deluding themselves. Sure roit squads being deployed will indeed look back, but nowhere near as bad enough to stay Beijing's hand.
So for the sakes of our HK friends, I hope reason preveils and they start using their heads as well as their hearts.
Rein in your emotion and use your considerable intellect to give yourselves the best chance of getting what you want rather than get thrown into the drunk tank.
Brumby
Major
That is a type of reasoning that opens up so many holes in logic that it is very difficult to defend if people want to poke at it. I would not go there if I were you.
AssassinsMace
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Why don't you read his post again. Unless I'm mistaken... >>>personal insult removed<<<
Mace...you know better.
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airsuperiority
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being racist now eh? just because actions of a few you use it to generalize everyone, even me, who didn't do any of those.
you had just reaffirmed why calling you out for bigotry is correct, not to mention racism.
bigots calling people out on hypocrisy? how funny
Ohh and you dont even know hk and yet you can say they don't have their own culture? what an insensitive, uneducated, ignorant statement
if you had proven anything, you have just proven what you are
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